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[Suggestion] Bounties, Kill rights and you.

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#1 - 2013-02-09 14:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Current bounty system as well as kill rights system do not serve their purpose imo so i came up with an idea that kill rights and bounty systems should be merged:

I find it strange that victims ask money for executing revenge for them instead of rewarding pilots for doing their job. So...

1. When you make kill right public you may place a bounty on it.

2. You cannot activate more than 1 kill right on same target at any given time. Bounty is paid from bounty pool of activated kill right.

3. Kill right only expires/completed when bounty associated with it is paid in full or set time has passed since its last activation (for ex. 30 days) (Only applies to shared/public kills rights. Personal kill rights are still 1-time kills). Small fees to Concord for each activation may apply. Bounty is not or partially refunded if kill right is expired.

4. Do not pay bounties for kills where Concord dealt most damage.

5. Do not pay insurance to kill right target for lost ship.

6. Place a "wanted" sign only on pilots with public kill right(s) on them.

That will prevent new player griefing (with 100k isk bounties) and solve problem with "wanted" sign on portraits of innocent pilots. Also gankers will lose an ability to clear themselves from kill rights by killing own rookie ships with alts - they will have to lose 5xbounty to do that.

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Whitehound
#2 - 2013-02-09 17:24:53 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Current bounty system as well as kill rights system do not serve their purpose imo so i came up with an idea that kill rights and bounty systems should be merged:

I find it strange that victims ask money for executing revenge for them instead of rewarding pilots for doing their job. So...

1. When you make kill right public you are required to place a bounty on it. Each kill right on a target will have separate bounty pool.

2. Kill right only expires/completed when bounty on it is paid in full or set time has passed since its last activation (for ex. 30 days) (Only applies to shared/public kills rights. Personal kill rights are still 1-time kills). Small fees to Concord for each activation may apply. Bounty is not refunded if kill right is expired.

3. You cannot activate more than 1 kill right on same target at any given time. If several pilots activate same kill right at same time - bounty will be paid to one who dealt most damage.

4. Do not pay bounties for kills where Concord dealt most damage.

5. Do not pay insurance to kill right target for lost ship.

6. Place a "wanted" sign only on pilots with public kill right(s) on them.

That will prevent new player griefing (with 100k isk bounties) and solve problem with "wanted" sign on portraits of innocent pilots. Also gankers will lose an ability to clear themselves from kill rights by killing own rookie ships with alts - they will have to lose 5xbounty to do that.

Gank a wealthy miner - make a whole EvE your enemy!

1.) No. Forcing a bounty will not do any good. Either you decide to buy a killright or you do not. You might want to kill someone with no bounty and only for their modules.
2.) Again, killrights should not be bound to bounties. It is unnecessary and shall stay fully optional for each player to decide.
3.) I agree, it seems reasonable. Being able to activate many killrights at once only helps a player to get rid of them with the help of an alt, but does not add anything of value in terms of game play for the one buying it.
4.) I agree. Currently does the bounty get paid to anyone after CONCORD, even to the dead victims themselves, which destroys the meaning of bounties currently.
5.) I agree. It only seems reasonable when killrights are being given as a result of criminal activities and this should never end in any form of payment coming directly out of an ISK well mechanic.
6.) Yes, no, not sure. Seems a bit cosmetic. We have special icons to show killrights.

By the way, Features and Ideas Discussion is the place to post this.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#3 - 2013-02-09 17:45:04 UTC
Whitehound wrote:


By the way, Features and Ideas Discussion is the place to post this.


No one likes the F&I Section.

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#4 - 2013-02-09 17:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Whitehound wrote:

1.) No. Forcing a bounty will not do any good. Either you decide to buy a killright or you do not. You might want to kill someone with no bounty and only for their modules.
2.) Again, killrights should not be bound to bounties. It is unnecessary and shall stay fully optional for each player to decide.

By the way, Features and Ideas Discussion is the place to post this.


1. No one is forcing bounty. You still can execute your kill right yourself if you want. but if you make it available for everyone - you may put some symbolic reward (100k isk) for those that will attempt to do it for you and not the other way around.

2. This part is tied to 1 and also prevents a pilot to remove kill right from himself by killing own ship with an alt. He'll have to either suffer 5x bounty loss or go and hide for a month for it to expire.

If you want to put a bounty on a pilot without having kill right for him - you can place it on his coproration/alliance instead.

If moderator stumbles upon this thread - move it to Features and Ideas section please.

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Whitehound
#5 - 2013-02-09 18:00:45 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Whitehound wrote:


By the way, Features and Ideas Discussion is the place to post this.


No one likes the F&I Section.

No, you are only being lazy.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Kate stark
#6 - 2013-02-09 18:02:10 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Whitehound wrote:


By the way, Features and Ideas Discussion is the place to post this.


No one likes the F&I Section.


i doubt many people like GD being cluttered up with bad ideas, either.

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Whitehound
#7 - 2013-02-09 18:03:51 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
1. No one is forcing bounty. You still can execute your kill right yourself if you want. but if you make it available for everyone - you have to put some reward (100k isk) for those that will attempt to do it for you and not the other way around.

2. This part is tied to 1 and also prevents a pilot to remove kill right from himself by killing own ship with an alt. He'll have to either suffer 5x bounty loss or go and hide for a month for it to expire.

If you want to put a bounty on a pilot without having kill right for him - you can place it on his coproration/alliance instead.

If moderator stumbles upon this thread - move it to Features and Ideas section please.

Yes, you are forcing it. Do not bullshit me here.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#8 - 2013-02-09 18:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Whitehound wrote:

Yes, you are forcing it. Do not bullshit me here.


When you hire someone, do you ask them to pay you for work you ask them to do?

^ Thats what currently happens with sellable kill rights. And that is not right (IMO). As i said in my post above: small fees may apply when someone activates kill right, but that ISK should go to Concord and not to kill right's owner.

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Kate stark
#9 - 2013-02-09 18:19:59 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Whitehound wrote:

Yes, you are forcing it. Do not bullshit me here.


When you hire someone, do you ask them to pay you for work you ask them to do?

^ Thats what currently happens with sellable kill rights. And that is not right (IMO). As i said in my post above: small fess may apply when someone activates kill right, but that ISK should go to Concord and not to kill right's owner.


but you didn't hire some one. they purchased something from you. does your cashier give you a cash reward for shopping at the store?

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#10 - 2013-02-09 18:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Kate stark wrote:

but you didn't hire some one. they purchased something from you. does your cashier give you a cash reward for shopping at the store?

As i see it: Sharing kill right is like creating a contract that anybody can accept if the reward is right or putting a wanted poster on information board or local media.

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Whitehound
#11 - 2013-02-09 18:36:42 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Kate stark wrote:

but you didn't hire some one. they purchased something from you. does your cashier give you a cash reward for shopping at the store?

As i see it: Sharing kill right is like creating a contract that anybody can accept if the reward is right or putting a wanted poster on information board or local media.

Nobody stops you from placing a bounty. Just stop telling other players how they shall play it. It is not your game alone.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Kate stark
#12 - 2013-02-09 18:45:35 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Kate stark wrote:

but you didn't hire some one. they purchased something from you. does your cashier give you a cash reward for shopping at the store?

As i see it: Sharing kill right is like creating a contract that anybody can accept if the reward is right or putting a wanted poster on information board or local media.


i see the problem.

you have no idea how it works, but you're trying to fix it anyway. it's like letting a gardener re-wire your house.

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#13 - 2013-02-09 18:49:07 UTC
As long as they don't change it before I can claim the remaining 800M of Whitehound's CODE bounty. P
Whitehound
#14 - 2013-02-09 19:21:35 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
As long as they don't change it before I can claim the remaining 800M of Whitehound's CODE bounty. P

My God, those BCs are melting my bounty fast. Shocked

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ISD Praetoxx
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-02-09 20:36:24 UTC
Thread moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
- ISD Praetoxx

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#16 - 2013-02-09 22:02:40 UTC
reworded things a bit so those complaining about forced bounties may feel at ease.

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#17 - 2013-02-11 04:10:07 UTC
Bump.
Still no constructive criticism on the matter Cry.

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#18 - 2013-02-14 04:56:08 UTC
Morning Bump.

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#19 - 2013-02-15 22:47:08 UTC
Shameless bump.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#20 - 2013-02-16 04:11:51 UTC
No.

No, no, a thousand times no.

This thread needs to die and float softly to the bottom of the forum-sea, where all the bottom-feeding thread-fish and Forum Urchins can sustain themselves by feeding on its decomposed remains.
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