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Dev blog: The great ship skill change of summer 2013

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#621 - 2013-02-09 19:01:33 UTC
It was quite clear to me and several other people.

Just because you had trouble understanding it doesn't mean it wasn't well written.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#622 - 2013-02-09 19:02:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
How can you compare a piece of hardware to EVE? did the cost of subscription go down? did SPs depreciate? wake up my friend! I agree that this change is unfair.

Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP.



I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.

If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.


I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#623 - 2013-02-09 19:03:02 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Savira Terrant wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
"If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens!

I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this.

I want to continue playing EVE but I am getting more and more disenfranchised for every "expansion" which I am sorry to say it doesn't expand anything except for people's rage. Where is the expansion? I would call it reconfiguration to make things easy for noobs and give hell to people who have already invested lots of bucks into EVE. Do you recall how you killed incursions for example?

I would like to recommend a couple of things to CCP:

1. Get a proper CEO
2. Get proper executive management
3. For speeches and videos use actors so that you get the best result
4. Recruit someone who helps you align to your customers' needs and priorities
5. Play EVE yourself with a standard character that you must train from scratch, just like me

This is my 2 cents.

Rage +1


People please read the DEVBLOG!

If you have BC 5 and all four cruisers to 3 you will get ALL 4 BC skills to 5. Just how often does that need to be answeared?!

And stating that you can fly all BC perfecly also means you already have all four cruisers to at least 3 - problem solved.


Also: "disenfranchised" - are you serious? Only because you pay a subscription does not mean you are somekind of shareholder of CCP. Or how would you ever have had a right to "vote"?


I have read the DEV blog and the fact that it's not clear to me it means it's not written well enough.
To your other point, yes I can vote and I have the right to criticise a decision or things that I think are not right. Why would you have the forums then? You can ban me if you wish.


Are you seriously trying to lobby that only because CCP is gracious enough to host a Forum for us, that you have a vote? No. You have not. You may merely voice your concerns about gameplay here. Which you did - I give you that.

But your concerns are nullified by the DEVBLOG and all the clarifications made in this thread already.

.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#624 - 2013-02-09 19:03:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It was quite clear to me and several other people.

Just because you had trouble understanding it doesn't mean it wasn't well written.


That is interesting. Let's see how many people get it. My point stands.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#625 - 2013-02-09 19:04:08 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
How can you compare a piece of hardware to EVE? did the cost of subscription go down? did SPs depreciate? wake up my friend! I agree that this change is unfair.

Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP.



I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.

If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.


I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.

Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mund Richard
#626 - 2013-02-09 19:05:25 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It was quite clear to me and several other people.

Confirming I understood what I read on the first go, and know I will get all BC V-s.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Kusanagi Kasuga
Indigo Archive
Ivy League Alt Alliance
#627 - 2013-02-09 19:06:05 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Dysgenesis wrote:

Also on that note, say you have command ships I and all the warfare skills to 4. After the patch I appreciate you will retain command ships I and still be able to fly the ship, but can you train command ships to level II? (I apologise if this has already been answered).


Yes you will be able to continue to train the skill as long as you have it injected before the patch.


Could you double check this? It's the exact opposite of how I (and many others) read the previous dev opinion on this question.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#628 - 2013-02-09 19:06:25 UTC
Savira Terrant wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Savira Terrant wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
"If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens!

I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this.

I want to continue playing EVE but I am getting more and more disenfranchised for every "expansion" which I am sorry to say it doesn't expand anything except for people's rage. Where is the expansion? I would call it reconfiguration to make things easy for noobs and give hell to people who have already invested lots of bucks into EVE. Do you recall how you killed incursions for example?

I would like to recommend a couple of things to CCP:

1. Get a proper CEO
2. Get proper executive management
3. For speeches and videos use actors so that you get the best result
4. Recruit someone who helps you align to your customers' needs and priorities
5. Play EVE yourself with a standard character that you must train from scratch, just like me

This is my 2 cents.

Rage +1


People please read the DEVBLOG!

If you have BC 5 and all four cruisers to 3 you will get ALL 4 BC skills to 5. Just how often does that need to be answeared?!

And stating that you can fly all BC perfecly also means you already have all four cruisers to at least 3 - problem solved.


Also: "disenfranchised" - are you serious? Only because you pay a subscription does not mean you are somekind of shareholder of CCP. Or how would you ever have had a right to "vote"?


I have read the DEV blog and the fact that it's not clear to me it means it's not written well enough.
To your other point, yes I can vote and I have the right to criticise a decision or things that I think are not right. Why would you have the forums then? You can ban me if you wish.


Are you seriously trying to lobby that only because CCP is gracious enough to host a Forum for us, that you have a vote? No. You have not. You may merely voice your concerns about gameplay here. Which you did - I give you that.

But your concerns are nullified by the DEVBLOG and all the clarifications made in this thread already.


No. My vote is my multiple subscriptions. When I decide to vote NO I will stop paying. Is that good enough to you?
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#629 - 2013-02-09 19:07:36 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It was quite clear to me and several other people.

Just because you had trouble understanding it doesn't mean it wasn't well written.


That is interesting. Let's see how many people get it. My point stands.


At the moment on Tranquility, the Prophecy requires two skills to fly: Amarr Cruiser 3 and Battlecruiser 1. Thus, if you have these two skills when the change happens, we will give you Amarr Battlecruiser 1. Simple so far.

The trick is to remember that the Prophecy bonuses are based on the Battlecruiser skill. Thus, if you want to maximize the reimbursement, training Amarr Cruiser past 3 will do you little good. Aim for Battlecruisers 5 instead, as you will then get Amarr Battlecruiser 5.

It is noteworthy to point out that if you don’t have a racial Cruiser at 3, then you won’t receive the corresponding racial Battlecruiser skill. It is thus worthwhile to train all Racial Cruiser skill at 3, then focus on maximizing Battlecruisers before the reimbursement happens.


If you cannot understand these three points, then nobody will be able to help you. Thus you "point" has no base.

.
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#630 - 2013-02-09 19:09:06 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Savira Terrant wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Savira Terrant wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
"If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens!

I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this.

I want to continue playing EVE but I am getting more and more disenfranchised for every "expansion" which I am sorry to say it doesn't expand anything except for people's rage. Where is the expansion? I would call it reconfiguration to make things easy for noobs and give hell to people who have already invested lots of bucks into EVE. Do you recall how you killed incursions for example?

I would like to recommend a couple of things to CCP:

1. Get a proper CEO
2. Get proper executive management
3. For speeches and videos use actors so that you get the best result
4. Recruit someone who helps you align to your customers' needs and priorities
5. Play EVE yourself with a standard character that you must train from scratch, just like me

This is my 2 cents.

Rage +1


People please read the DEVBLOG!

If you have BC 5 and all four cruisers to 3 you will get ALL 4 BC skills to 5. Just how often does that need to be answeared?!

And stating that you can fly all BC perfecly also means you already have all four cruisers to at least 3 - problem solved.


Also: "disenfranchised" - are you serious? Only because you pay a subscription does not mean you are somekind of shareholder of CCP. Or how would you ever have had a right to "vote"?


I have read the DEV blog and the fact that it's not clear to me it means it's not written well enough.
To your other point, yes I can vote and I have the right to criticise a decision or things that I think are not right. Why would you have the forums then? You can ban me if you wish.


Are you seriously trying to lobby that only because CCP is gracious enough to host a Forum for us, that you have a vote? No. You have not. You may merely voice your concerns about gameplay here. Which you did - I give you that.

But your concerns are nullified by the DEVBLOG and all the clarifications made in this thread already.


No. My vote is my multiple subscriptions. When I decide to vote NO I will stop paying. Is that good enough to you?


Yes. Neither CCP nor I need you to play this game. Simple as that. If you think that makes you "vote" than be happy with it.

.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#631 - 2013-02-09 19:10:29 UTC
I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.[/quote]
If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.[/quote]

I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.[/quote]
Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.[/quote]

I use all low slots for DPS, maybe you are the one who needs it.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#632 - 2013-02-09 19:12:06 UTC
Are you seriously trying to lobby that only because CCP is gracious enough to host a Forum for us, that you have a vote? No. You have not. You may merely voice your concerns about gameplay here. Which you did - I give you that.

But your concerns are nullified by the DEVBLOG and all the clarifications made in this thread already.[/quote]

No. My vote is my multiple subscriptions. When I decide to vote NO I will stop paying. Is that good enough to you?
[/quote]

Yes. Neither CCP nor I need you to play this game. Simple as that. If you think that makes you "vote" than be happy with it.[/quote]

I am afraid you will have to cope with this. But this is good, I like people who hate me.
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#633 - 2013-02-09 19:13:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Savira Terrant
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Dysgenesis wrote:

Also on that note, say you have command ships I and all the warfare skills to 4. After the patch I appreciate you will retain command ships I and still be able to fly the ship, but can you train command ships to level II? (I apologise if this has already been answered).


Yes you will be able to continue to train the skill as long as you have it injected before the patch.


Could you double check this? It's the exact opposite of how I (and many others) read the previous dev opinion on this question.



This is not an opinion, but basicly a change that is not active yet, but announced for the summer expansion.

CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Alrigh folks, good news.

We'll change the way training works so that you can still train the skills you have after change, even if you don't meet the prerequisite anymore.

Ex:

You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence and you will now still be able to train Amarr Freighter past 1 as long as you have the skill injected.


Hope that's clear - trying my very best Sad


Or as link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2583413#post2583413

Party on. Smile

.
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC
#634 - 2013-02-09 19:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: David Laurentson
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Dysgenesis wrote:

Also on that note, say you have command ships I and all the warfare skills to 4. After the patch I appreciate you will retain command ships I and still be able to fly the ship, but can you train command ships to level II? (I apologise if this has already been answered).


Yes you will be able to continue to train the skill as long as you have it injected before the patch.


Could you double check this? It's the exact opposite of how I (and many others) read the previous dev opinion on this question.


There's a post where CCP Ytterbium says they're changing it to let you train injected skills (possibly just the ones involved here) you've lost pre-reqs for.
To be honest, I'm amazed the game even checks that, but it's probably tied to, say, being podded and losing a pre-req.

Ah, found it:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2583413#post2583413
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#635 - 2013-02-09 19:26:34 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Savira Terrant wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Savira Terrant wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:
"If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens!

I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this.

I want to continue playing EVE but I am getting more and more disenfranchised for every "expansion" which I am sorry to say it doesn't expand anything except for people's rage. Where is the expansion? I would call it reconfiguration to make things easy for noobs and give hell to people who have already invested lots of bucks into EVE. Do you recall how you killed incursions for example?

I would like to recommend a couple of things to CCP:

1. Get a proper CEO
2. Get proper executive management
3. For speeches and videos use actors so that you get the best result
4. Recruit someone who helps you align to your customers' needs and priorities
5. Play EVE yourself with a standard character that you must train from scratch, just like me

This is my 2 cents.

Rage +1


People please read the DEVBLOG!

If you have BC 5 and all four cruisers to 3 you will get ALL 4 BC skills to 5. Just how often does that need to be answeared?!

And stating that you can fly all BC perfecly also means you already have all four cruisers to at least 3 - problem solved.


Also: "disenfranchised" - are you serious? Only because you pay a subscription does not mean you are somekind of shareholder of CCP. Or how would you ever have had a right to "vote"?


I have read the DEV blog and the fact that it's not clear to me it means it's not written well enough.
To your other point, yes I can vote and I have the right to criticise a decision or things that I think are not right. Why would you have the forums then? You can ban me if you wish.


Are you seriously trying to lobby that only because CCP is gracious enough to host a Forum for us, that you have a vote? No. You have not. You may merely voice your concerns about gameplay here. Which you did - I give you that.

But your concerns are nullified by the DEVBLOG and all the clarifications made in this thread already.


No. My vote is my multiple subscriptions. When I decide to vote NO I will stop paying. Is that good enough to you?


In regard to my concerns, I did not read in Dev Blog that all racial BC skills will be at level 5 and it is still unclear to me despite you having clarified. After all you are not a DEV or a CCP rep...
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#636 - 2013-02-09 19:32:44 UTC

Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP.[/quote]


I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.[/quote]
If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.[/quote]

I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.[/quote]
Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.[/quote]

Oh dear! This ****** has placed a 5M bounty on me! See what happens now! Is this the way children play?
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#637 - 2013-02-09 19:34:32 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:

Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP.



I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.[/quote]
If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.[/quote]

I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.[/quote]
Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.[/quote]

Oh dear! This ****** has placed a 5M bounty on me! See what happens now! Is this the way children play?[/quote]

There you go, 50M... I can escalate further.
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#638 - 2013-02-09 19:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Savira Terrant
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2589404#post2589404 is where I answeared to your concerns. Please this carefully.

.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#639 - 2013-02-09 19:38:42 UTC
Ubat Batuk wrote:
Ubat Batuk wrote:

Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP.



I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.

If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.[/quote]

I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.[/quote]
Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.[/quote]

Oh dear! This ****** has placed a 5M bounty on me! See what happens now! Is this the way children play?[/quote]

There you go, 50M... I can escalate further.[/quote]

You know what, I thought this should make you really happy, I have added another 300M.
Ubat Batuk
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#640 - 2013-02-09 19:41:39 UTC
Savira Terrant wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2589404#post2589404 is where I answeared to your concerns. Please this carefully.


thank you for that, however this means that you get one racial BC skills at level 5. What about the rest? I can fly all BCs at level 5 now.