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Dust corp members counting toward wardec cost, intended?

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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#1 - 2013-02-09 16:10:55 UTC
It seems that Dust 514 mercs members of a corp are counted in the head count of a corp with regards to war declaration cost. CCP is closing the "inactive account" hole (inactive capsuler members won't count), but Dust being free to play it's easy for people wanting to make themselves harder to wardec to inflate their numbers.

So intended or just not well thought off side effect?

Your thoughts?
Whitehound
#2 - 2013-02-09 16:12:09 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
It seems that Dust 514 mercs members of a corp are counted in the head count of a corp with regards to war declaration cost. CCP is closing the "inactive account" hole (inactive capsuler members won't count), but Dust being free to play it's easy for people wanting to make themselves harder to wardec to inflate their numbers.

So intended or just not well thought off side effect?

Your thoughts?

EVE is free-to-play as well.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#3 - 2013-02-09 16:13:08 UTC
I doubt anything involving DUST was well thought out.

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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#4 - 2013-02-09 16:16:54 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
It seems that Dust 514 mercs members of a corp are counted in the head count of a corp with regards to war declaration cost. CCP is closing the "inactive account" hole (inactive capsuler members won't count), but Dust being free to play it's easy for people wanting to make themselves harder to wardec to inflate their numbers.

So intended or just not well thought off side effect?

Your thoughts?

EVE is free-to-play as well.


More like optionally grind to play, which puts an upper bound on the number of people that will be added.
Whitehound
#5 - 2013-02-09 16:30:59 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
It seems that Dust 514 mercs members of a corp are counted in the head count of a corp with regards to war declaration cost. CCP is closing the "inactive account" hole (inactive capsuler members won't count), but Dust being free to play it's easy for people wanting to make themselves harder to wardec to inflate their numbers.

So intended or just not well thought off side effect?

Your thoughts?

EVE is free-to-play as well.


More like optionally grind to play, which puts an upper bound on the number of people that will be added.

And you don't grind your way to SPs and ISKs in DUST514?!

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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#6 - 2013-02-09 16:35:58 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
It seems that Dust 514 mercs members of a corp are counted in the head count of a corp with regards to war declaration cost. CCP is closing the "inactive account" hole (inactive capsuler members won't count), but Dust being free to play it's easy for people wanting to make themselves harder to wardec to inflate their numbers.

So intended or just not well thought off side effect?

Your thoughts?

EVE is free-to-play as well.


More like optionally grind to play, which puts an upper bound on the number of people that will be added.

And you don't grind your way to SPs and ISKs in DUST514?!


And what does it have to do with the subject at hand?

The problem is artificially increased corp headcounts by the way of free Dust 514 characters, in order to make wardeccing you more expensive. You cannot do it nearly as effectively with capsuler characters because of the ISK needed to keep their account active.
Whitehound
#7 - 2013-02-09 16:40:59 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
It seems that Dust 514 mercs members of a corp are counted in the head count of a corp with regards to war declaration cost. CCP is closing the "inactive account" hole (inactive capsuler members won't count), but Dust being free to play it's easy for people wanting to make themselves harder to wardec to inflate their numbers.

So intended or just not well thought off side effect?

Your thoughts?

EVE is free-to-play as well.


More like optionally grind to play, which puts an upper bound on the number of people that will be added.

And you don't grind your way to SPs and ISKs in DUST514?!


And what does it have to do with the subject at hand?

You called EVE's F2P a grind, not me.

HTFU.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#8 - 2013-02-09 17:14:48 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
It seems that Dust 514 mercs members of a corp are counted in the head count of a corp with regards to war declaration cost. CCP is closing the "inactive account" hole (inactive capsuler members won't count), but Dust being free to play it's easy for people wanting to make themselves harder to wardec to inflate their numbers.

So intended or just not well thought off side effect?

Your thoughts?



Well it looks like they are counting them in online numbers for EVE, so why wouldn't they include them in a wardec.....Lol


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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-10 10:53:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Aren Madigan
I could see it being intentional if they plan on adding corp warfare stuff to Dust, but for now, it seems a little odd. Actually, even then, seems a little odd to have them count as a full member towards it unless it was something pretty significant.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-02-10 15:35:45 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:


So intended or just not well thought off side effect?

Your thoughts?


Do you really have to ask at this point?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-02-10 16:05:23 UTC
DUST... it's cool... it's shiny... it's got special effects.... and I'm sure it's full of exploits just waiting to happen as the two games merge.

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CCP Tuxford
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2013-02-10 16:23:46 UTC
They are not supposed to be counted. We tested this and they definitely weren't being counted. I'll take a look at it tomorrow again though.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#13 - 2013-02-10 16:33:50 UTC
Thanks CCP Tuxford, my case is a 217 men corp for which we can identify about twenty capsuleers. And the corp priding itself on being one of the biggest mixed corp. So I just assumed the gap would be mostly dusties. The bill I was presented with was definitely to wardec 200+ people.


Can I suggest displaying capsuleers/boots count separately in corp information?
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#14 - 2013-02-10 20:01:34 UTC
CCP Tuxford wrote:
They are not supposed to be counted. We tested this and they definitely weren't being counted. I'll take a look at it tomorrow again though.



CCP not knowing how the mechanics are being applied....priceless. Shocked

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#15 - 2013-02-10 21:17:16 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Thanks CCP Tuxford, my case is a 217 men corp for which we can identify about twenty capsuleers. … So I just assumed the gap would be mostly dusties.


I see what you did there. Check EVE-who for more details. Just because the market alts and AFK cloakers are not easily discoverable doesn't mean they're not active.

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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#16 - 2013-02-10 22:41:19 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Thanks CCP Tuxford, my case is a 217 men corp for which we can identify about twenty capsuleers. … So I just assumed the gap would be mostly dusties.


I see what you did there. Check EVE-who for more details. Just because the market alts and AFK cloakers are not easily discoverable doesn't mean they're not active.


There are 17 of them on evewho, of now a total of 218. evewho sometime miss a few people, but 90% would be a first.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#17 - 2013-02-11 00:25:33 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
More like optionally grind to play, which puts an upper bound on the number of people that will be added.
Grinding for ISK is so 2005.

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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#18 - 2013-02-12 07:04:42 UTC
CCP Tuxford wrote:
They are not supposed to be counted. We tested this and they definitely weren't being counted. I'll take a look at it tomorrow again though.


Any news?
CCP Tuxford
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2013-02-18 13:27:44 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
CCP Tuxford wrote:
They are not supposed to be counted. We tested this and they definitely weren't being counted. I'll take a look at it tomorrow again though.


Any news?


sorry I really meant to check this last Monday but I had a baby instead. After that everything got a bit hectic. I'm on vacation right now but I'll have somebody double check for me.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates
MainDrain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-18 14:06:15 UTC
CCP Tuxford wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
CCP Tuxford wrote:
They are not supposed to be counted. We tested this and they definitely weren't being counted. I'll take a look at it tomorrow again though.


Any news?


sorry I really meant to check this last Monday but I had a baby instead. After that everything got a bit hectic. I'm on vacation right now but I'll have somebody double check for me.


Wait Tuxford and Punkturais off for maternity/paternity reasons at the same time! Did CCP have some sort of mental staff night out 9 months ago!
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