Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please tell me exactly how a player who isn't at the computer is doing anything to you or your operations


Hint: he isn't. He is by definition incapable of having any effect on what you're up to.

If you think "but theres a risk..." and choose to not do something, then that's on you. Choosing to dock/pos up is a choice, it's a valid one too - if you think there's a risk you can't face, or don't want to right now, it's perfectly reasonable to 'get safe' instead. However, you seem unwilling to accept your own actions, and are asking CCP to let you have your cake and eat it too.

Just go back to highsec, little bear.

Yup again, the only thing you can come back with is, You must be a carebear.


So much constructive feedback...


IF you are honestly going to sit there and say having 2 systems you cant cloakie in a region max... Assuming the have the mod in and active, is overpowered... i have no words.

You must be the person doing the camping or your delusional.

Its not just this idea but almost every idea EVER with cloaks and somehow making them detectable has been shot down. Is it because they are truly bad ideas? yea sure some of em are pretty bad.. But alot of them are more then fair.. you people just hate on them because your the ones doing the camping..


"OMG THESE BEARS WANT TO MAKE IT SO I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO CLOAKY CAMP 24/7 IN 2 SYSTEMS IN A REGION WITH 50 SYSTEMS OMFG OVERPOWERED"

atleast you are giving some constructive feedback..

Now this is where i think we differ..

I feel in a Region your alliance owns, its your space and as such i think it almost every way you should have the homefield advantage.


So i dont think people comming into an alliances space should be on even ground. Now granted we already have advantages such as cyno beacons and jump bridges.. i will concede this.

But i feel that alliances need an IRON grip over the systems they own and pay for.

you believe that both Attacker and defender should be even, sorta like it is now.. its a stalemate.

The difference here is i believe the Defender since its the space they own... Should have the ability to kill everyone in the systems they hold sov in Assuming they are willing to pay for it.. Just in the same way they have the ability to JAM a system from Cynos for example, they can stop everyone from cynoing into that system for a fee, you dont see alot of people bitching about it do you? No.

I do believe its fair for a system or 2 in a region have the ability to be cloak jammed as long as the alliance is willing to pay a good amount for it and they have a trade off for something.. in this case they are trading off the ability to cyno jam the system and the ability to have a JB and/or cyno beacon in the system. along with a good amount of isk per month.. this is all for the ability to stop cloaks.. Nothing else. Its not stopping a 50 man fleet from camping the system its not stoping people from camping the ways in and out, all it does is stop people from cloaking.


The mod would be put outside the shields just like a cyno jammer and can be incapped if someone really wanted to do it.

You said the one and only way to attack ratters income is to cloaky camp them...


so im going to ask you why cant you take a 20man gang and just camp the system and force them to stop ratting.. why do you focus on the cloakies being the only way to stop ratters

For a short while now. Myself and some mates have spent a few days deep in claimed null sneeking around hitting a few exploration sites (we're there for the sites, then we'll leave) We're not there as invaders or spys.

The only way for us to do this is by being able to move around cloaked. The locals own a POS on almost every moon AND an outpost in almost every system for 20 jumps in every direction.

While neutral, and they do occasionally try and hunt us we have an uneasy understanding at the very least now they dont see us as a threat. But i do occasionally get guys saying "dont bother scanning us, we have a pos in every system" while they're our doing PVE sites.


Im a 3 month account (and new player) in a half fit covops ship from a tiny unaffiliated corp. Yet I'm still viewed with more fear than anything in the game >.< its ridiculous. And this is from some of the biggest alliances!


Without the current cloak system, there is no way for anyone to even get into large alliance space and ninja those rewards. Thus far all the "Cloak" fixes only benefit the large sov holding alliance, and remove any ability for anyone else to play in that space.

Not every corp in the game can field 1000 titans to blob an enemy.

These alliances already know when we come into their territory. They know if we set a tower or hang around, they have sophisticated intel channels always watching and reporting movements. Who where, when, who are their friends, where are they going, where from etc etc AND they can deploy accross the entirety of null though highly developed bridge networks. Use stations and such.

What more do you need?

If you want to PvE but dont want to lose your super carrier. Dont use a super cap to PvE.


If you remove all chance for the small guy to impact on the big guy, you relegate null to the realm of a small handful of mega coalitions. And then it gets even more stale and why even bother logging in? You want more people playing the game and more fun fights and more things to do. But only so long as you can have a huge advantage and not be at risk? hmmm

By "you" I dont mean necessarily the OP. Just most guys complaining about cloaks seem to be parts of huge coalitions who already have everything they could want.