Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree that a person can make more ISK in high-security by dedicating two characters to ISK making than by dedicating the same characters to ISK making and defense, separately, in null - at least as a general rule. I personally don't understand ever dual-boxing when you are planning to be or could be placed into a PvP situation, but I'm sure that's partially because I've never used a falcon alt, and I'm a terrible multi-tasker. However, the same rule applies to you and a friend: you either have a friend who is flying defense for free, you're paying him, or you're both making easy safe money in high sec. The problem is that CONCORD already has your back in empire space. You can't legitimately deny the fact that people should be reasonably allowed and able to choose PvE as their primary activity in null, whether or not you personally understand the appeal. Null has one major purpose, to make players rich, and three major ways to accomplish that: by destroying other people's ships, by doing PvE, and via moon wealth. By arguing that the only appropriate way to do PvE in null is to take safety measures which reduce your ISK efficiency to lower than that of high-sec (given the same investment), then you are effectively arguing that PvE in null is a pointless and/or broken mechanic. Besides, many of these players aren't even particularly "scared" of PvP, they just find it tedious and boring to either blob or be blobbed.

Sol, I agree that someone at their desk has every right to give intel, hot-drop, etc. I also think people are completely within their rights cloaking up and walking away from keyboard. I just think doing so should constitute a greater effective risk than staying at the keyboard, and that there should be a counter-tactic to attempt to counter cloaking, whether or not a player is akf. I may be off-base here, after all the one thing we ALL do in this game - skill training - is accomplished primarily by logging off and going to bed.

My thoughts on making PvE more like PvP are not entirely refined, but my personal preference would be to replace our entire null PvE experience entirely: instead of fighting of thirty or so rats made of squishy hamburger, fight four to six rats (as a comparative ratio), each with high ehp, speed, damage, etc (like officer rats), who webs, scrams, neuts, approaches with high transversal, etc. Then increase the reward on each rat but a large volume. Increase the difficulty of faction and officer spawns comparatively.

Super, you said that the first part of my solution was the only good thing that I posted, then proceeded to re-suggest the third part of my solution. I mean no offense, but it's hard to take your argument seriously when you do that.

Don't fix something that is not broken.

Or go ahead and fix everything, but start with the worst kind of meanies: THE AFK DOCKERS.

Wait. Are we agreeing or disagreeing? I'm not sure.

But I think I see your point. Sitting in random space doing nothing while cloaked isn't ship-to-ship PVP.

However, you CAN engage in PVP. Many times I have used a warp in point set by a cloaked ally to attack ships. I've also been the guy providing the warp in point. Sure, the cloaker never fired a shot. But was still an integral part of the process for creating wrecks in space.

Thank you.

my idea: delay local, limit cloak time or add fuel. boom, let the hatred flow into me for finding a solution to both sides (those who cry "cloaking should be safe as a station" don't apply, as logic cant reach the depths of their ignorance)

Unnecessary wall of text.

If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance baffle them with your bs.
You might have suggested the same thing with much fewer words and without all the fanfare.

You will satisfy none of the parties who constantly post on this topic with this mishmash of already suggested ideas... the problem you do address is not critical and may be addressed in a simpler fashion.

Lastly, I don't believe you when you say you were anything like me.