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Noir Nana
Say No To Corps
#1 - 2013-02-07 05:35:03 UTC
They any good for missioning? Used to just use Heavy Tengu.
Mad0ne
Kosmosemutid
#2 - 2013-02-07 06:00:04 UTC
noup
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2013-02-08 02:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Noir Nana wrote:
They any good for missioning? Used to just use Heavy Tengu.

I use a pulse Legion for Blood Raiders, Sansha, and Rogue Drones, and Tengu for the rest.

The pulse Legion is significantly faster at dispatching frigates, but is slower on everything else, but still faster than a Tengu firing EM.

I've not tried a HAM Legion, as I really didn't enjoy a HAM Tengu. The range is too short, and frigates are a pain (and the Tengu also required a lot of HAM missiles with a RoF around 2.3 seconds if memory serves).
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-08 02:34:13 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Noir Nana wrote:
They any good for missioning? Used to just use Heavy Tengu.

I use a pulse Legion for Blood Raiders, Sansha, and Rogue Drones, and Tengu for the rest.

The pulse Legion is significantly faster at dispatching frigates, but is slower on everything else, but still faster than a Tengu firing EM.

I've not tried a HAM Legion, as I really didn't enjoy a HAM Tengu. The range is too short, and frigates are a pain (and the Tengu also required a lot of HAM missiles with a RoF around 2.3 seconds if memory serves).


The problem with ham legion is that it lacks a missile velocity (range) bonus. That really kills it for pve. It could have been better than Tengu on non-kinetic rats had the ham sub have a 3rd range bonus.
Noir Nana
Say No To Corps
#5 - 2013-02-08 02:52:25 UTC
I've been using a Pulse Legion, and sometimes the TD really gets to me. I can alpha some of the smaller ships before they react, but when a room has multiple TD, just gets rather annoying.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-02-08 03:57:45 UTC
you could *theoretically* shield fit it and do ok against angels. i made thread about this half a year ago or so.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Noir Nana
Say No To Corps
#7 - 2013-02-08 07:55:55 UTC
Why shield fit it? The tank isn't an issue, just takes forever to kill Angels.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-08 16:57:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Noir Nana wrote:
Why shield fit it? The tank isn't an issue, just takes forever to kill Angels.

the only advantage the ham legion has over the hamgu is that it can choose any damag type. angels are more vulnerable to explosive than kinetic, like to come close and shoot explosive themselves. that's three factors that favor the ham legion or at least mitigate its horrible performance. also, if you shield tank it, you still have room for nanos which again is good to compensate for its horrible range (compared to the tengu).

I should buy an Ishtar.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-08 20:20:32 UTC
[Legion, ham angel]
Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System
Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System
Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II

Domination 10MN Afterburner
Target Painter II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


630 dps . More than enough tank to not speed tank. And if you get jumped you might get an opportunity kill. Hard to neuted. Stable without using cap booster . Bad as a ratter but its a ham legion what did you expected :D (maybe if they give 1 more launcher it will get better)

Ride hard, live with passion 
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#10 - 2013-02-08 21:04:01 UTC
**** for Range, **** for killing off tackle frigs, **** just got ******.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-02-08 23:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Annunaki soldier wrote:
[shitfit]

630 dps . More than enough tank to not speed tank. And if you get jumped you might get an opportunity kill. Hard to neuted. Stable without using cap booster . Bad as a ratter but its a ham legion what did you expected :D (maybe if they give 1 more launcher it will get better)


you mean if you put the correct rigs and subsystems on it?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Zinn Azna
Cabeki Edicto
#12 - 2013-02-09 04:55:20 UTC
HAM legion is not really a good level 4 mission ship. You have to get close enough to many enemy groups that you are vulnerable to being webbed. I did run level 4 missions for a while with a HAM legion but find a HM Tengu is vastly superior as a level 4 mission ship.
Donia Rhodesia
Rizoma records
#13 - 2013-02-09 08:33:17 UTC
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Noir Nana
Say No To Corps
#14 - 2013-02-09 17:32:17 UTC
I could do battleships, but ever since T3s came out, I'm just obsessed with them. Pretty much use them for everything. My problem with Battleships especially the missile ones is the inability to kill cruisers and smaller in a relatively quick manner without having to rely on drones.

I was a die hard missile user, just that turret based weapons can 1-2 shot smaller ships when further away further reducing the time needed to complete the mission, just the TD is such a pain in the ass.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-10 02:08:43 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
[shitfit]

630 dps . More than enough tank to not speed tank. And if you get jumped you might get an opportunity kill. Hard to neuted. Stable without using cap booster . Bad as a ratter but its a ham legion what did you expected :D (maybe if they give 1 more launcher it will get better)


you mean if you put the correct rigs and subsystems on it?


well then why you havent corrected it ? i am more than willing to see it

Ride hard, live with passion 
Zaq Phelps
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-02-10 16:25:48 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Noir Nana wrote:
They any good for missioning? Used to just use Heavy Tengu.

I use a pulse Legion for Blood Raiders, Sansha, and Rogue Drones, and Tengu for the rest.

The pulse Legion is significantly faster at dispatching frigates, but is slower on everything else, but still faster than a Tengu firing EM.

I've not tried a HAM Legion, as I really didn't enjoy a HAM Tengu. The range is too short, and frigates are a pain (and the Tengu also required a lot of HAM missiles with a RoF around 2.3 seconds if memory serves).


HAM Tengu does not have a problem with frigates anymore. Target painter, complex afterburner, GMP IV and you're good to go. A few implants and a stasis web don't hurt either.

Other than that, the usual is good with some fitting changes to include MJD's. Turret ships are good now (like the mach).
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-02-10 16:57:32 UTC
Annunaki soldier wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
[shitfit]

630 dps . More than enough tank to not speed tank. And if you get jumped you might get an opportunity kill. Hard to neuted. Stable without using cap booster . Bad as a ratter but its a ham legion what did you expected :D (maybe if they give 1 more launcher it will get better)


you mean if you put the correct rigs and subsystems on it?


well then why you havent corrected it ? i am more than willing to see it

should i also teach you to tie your shoelaces maybe?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-02-10 17:44:40 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
[shitfit]

630 dps . More than enough tank to not speed tank. And if you get jumped you might get an opportunity kill. Hard to neuted. Stable without using cap booster . Bad as a ratter but its a ham legion what did you expected :D (maybe if they give 1 more launcher it will get better)


you mean if you put the correct rigs and subsystems on it?


well then why you havent corrected it ? i am more than willing to see it

should i also teach you to tie your shoelaces maybe?


how about contribute to make a steady argument or gtfo if you can' t

If you want to bend for those shoelaces then feel free. But dont whine after LolLol

Ride hard, live with passion 
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-02-10 22:38:28 UTC
Noir Nana wrote:
I could do battleships, but ever since T3s came out, I'm just obsessed with them. Pretty much use them for everything. My problem with Battleships especially the missile ones is the inability to kill cruisers and smaller in a relatively quick manner without having to rely on drones.


A well built cruise missile ship will 1-2 shoot a cruiser and 1-shoot a destroyer. The only ship type they have a problem with is frigates, especially elite frigates. My problem with battleships (well, at least until MJD) was that most of them move at snail's pace, whereas a T3 or a Machariel/Fleet Tempest zips about. Makes picking stuff up a lot easier, if you ask me :p