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Balance the game to encourage new players

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ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2013-02-08 23:10:08 UTC
It is not fare for old players to have had the ability to win t2 bpos while new players dont. We need to balance that either get rid of all teck 2 bpos or bring the lottery back . Make it more rare. Also aloow a way to do research on BPCs . 10 x slower paced and at more cost. Also it would be nice if new players can skill up faster. If they want to spend real cash to fly a titan so be it. I know alot of old players have skilled up over many years but this is a play to play game after all ..One can argue a new player can buy plex to buy the t2 bpo then it should be same for skill points.. Make skill pomits a trade able item stack it up and sell for isk. Have feature that you get 5 points out of 10 that you have trained out o f your body you can either inject it or sell it . Make charters eve items as well just like plex. Which can be sent from station to client empty slot. A player could collect recycle skills.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-02-08 23:24:12 UTC
No to just about everything in that paragraph.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#3 - 2013-02-09 01:25:29 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
No to just about everything in that paragraph.


this.

new players can buy the plex to buy a T2 BPO? only if the previous owners sells it to them for such an amount. thats not pay 2 win.

plexes may get u a lot of isk from other players, but it does not make isk out of thin air, and it does not allow u to fly what u have not skilled for. eve is not pay 2 win.

the lottery was awful for T2 production and allowed older players to completely monopolise T2 equipment. this is surely the opposite of what ur trying to get.

eve is a very time and effort intensive game. if u cannot handle the grind then u should contract all ur stuff to me and find another game to play. Big smile

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samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#4 - 2013-02-09 01:34:14 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
It is not fare for old players to have had the ability to win t2 bpos while new players dont. We need to balance that either get rid of all teck 2 bpos or bring the lottery back . Make it more rare. Also aloow a way to do research on BPCs . 10 x slower paced and at more cost. Also it would be nice if new players can skill up faster. If they want to spend real cash to fly a titan so be it. I know alot of old players have skilled up over many years but this is a play to play game after all ..One can argue a new player can buy plex to buy the t2 bpo then it should be same for skill points.. Make skill pomits a trade able item stack it up and sell for isk. Have feature that you get 5 points out of 10 that you have trained out o f your body you can either inject it or sell it . Make charters eve items as well just like plex. Which can be sent from station to client empty slot. A player could collect recycle skills.



ugh where to start?

Firstly search the market forums for why T2 BPOS are not the extreme cash cow you think they are.

Secondly what problem are you having with BPCs that you think they need researching? why not just get a better BPC from a better seller?

Thirdly New players DO skill up quicker due to the special implant at first.

Fourthly the argument that because you can buy an in game item with ISK from PLEX means you should be able to buy skillpoints is a little bit of a non-sequiter. Surely that would just distance older players with more money further from the new player base?

It sounds like you're just trying to find a way to catch up with the bitter vets or overtake them. part of EVEs beauty is that you gain more from training to a specialty so although you will never catch up in total skill points you will be able to catch up with the vets in a speciality such as PI or flying tackle in a fleet or being a perfect trader

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.

Uncle Gagarin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-09 04:05:55 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
... some garbage ...


No to all you posted here.
Quote changed in response to lack of repect to us.
All this s...t was already discussed several times even this year only.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-09 04:41:15 UTC
It's it called tieracide and they are already working on it.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Niveuss Nye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-02-09 05:30:01 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
It is not fare for old players to have had the ability to win t2 bpos while new players dont. We need to balance that either get rid of all teck 2 bpos or bring the lottery back . Make it more rare. Also aloow a way to do research on BPCs . 10 x slower paced and at more cost. Also it would be nice if new players can skill up faster. If they want to spend real cash to fly a titan so be it. I know alot of old players have skilled up over many years but this is a play to play game after all ..One can argue a new player can buy plex to buy the t2 bpo then it should be same for skill points.. Make skill pomits a trade able item stack it up and sell for isk. Have feature that you get 5 points out of 10 that you have trained out o f your body you can either inject it or sell it . Make charters eve items as well just like plex. Which can be sent from station to client empty slot. A player could collect recycle skills.


T2 BPOs...

I do think that there should be an easier way to get into invention, but that has more to do with the lack of research slots and the high start up cost/ corp trust issues with a POS. Not sure I like the idea of any "random" chance lottery with BPs, though.

Skill up faster?

I personally think they should give new players a bit more skill points and at character creation. You should be able to choose, say, one starting skill at 5 to make yourself more useful. But, that is just my opinion. Training speed is fine otherwise. Howevr, DUST does have boosters that increase passive training for AURUM. I could see something like that in the far future.

Skill points tradeable?

NO. HECK NO!!!!! BUT - I do think you should be able to create skill books.Skill books are one of the last NPC only items in the game.


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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2013-02-09 06:10:58 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
No to just about everything in that paragraph.

That wasn't a paragraph. It was a brick of fragmentary text and run on thoughts.

Also... yeah... no to everything the OP said.
Niveuss Nye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-02-09 06:26:20 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
No to just about everything in that paragraph.

That wasn't a paragraph. It was a brick of fragmentary text and run on thoughts.

Also... yeah... no to everything the OP said.


I forgive the lack of paragraphs because if you spend too long composing your post on these forums, it saves it to draft and destroys your formatting. Still, if I have something to say, I am at least not too lazy to correct it.

However, I have a sneaking suspicion what this guy wants has nothing to do with "helping new players". Hell, I did not know about BPOs/BPCs until a week or two in. I think it has more to do with wanting to be a leet kid in a MMO without going through all the hoops the leet kids had to go through. I mean, pay for a Titan? Well, there is the Character Bazaar... if you are willing to take the chance of someone with a cruddy rep. The character WILL be able to fly a titan, but I gaurantee you if you buy him he will be parked in Jita with no assets or said titan.

That does not work in a MMO. (well.. not unless it is a Korea grinder Pay to Win)
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#10 - 2013-02-10 16:14:27 UTC
Niveuss Nye wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
No to just about everything in that paragraph.

That wasn't a paragraph. It was a brick of fragmentary text and run on thoughts.

Also... yeah... no to everything the OP said.


I forgive the lack of paragraphs because if you spend too long composing your post on these forums, it saves it to draft and destroys your formatting. Still, if I have something to say, I am at least not too lazy to correct it.

However, I have a sneaking suspicion what this guy wants has nothing to do with "helping new players". Hell, I did not know about BPOs/BPCs until a week or two in. I think it has more to do with wanting to be a leet kid in a MMO without going through all the hoops the leet kids had to go through. I mean, pay for a Titan? Well, there is the Character Bazaar... if you are willing to take the chance of someone with a cruddy rep. The character WILL be able to fly a titan, but I gaurantee you if you buy him he will be parked in Jita with no assets or said titan.

That does not work in a MMO. (well.. not unless it is a Korea grinder Pay to Win)

ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2013-02-10 16:18:42 UTC
you guys must be old players.. When I first started playing eve in 2007 - 2008 i got a inv 2 bpo I miss that kind of thing ..and no it snot about just helping new people. It about fareness. Why do some have something while others can not . IF people got the bpo too easy make it into a bpc or have every one have am equal chance of getting it. i appologize if my words are lengthy . but it is not your place to say NO. i f you dont like the idea its fine . if my idea or equal chance goes in effect or if all t2 bpos are made into bpc i loose my bpo. See the idea for what it is. i have many ideas

Bum Shadow
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-02-10 16:42:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Bum Shadow
Believe it or not this is an MMO.

You put the time and effort in and you get the reward. There is NO reason why you should get the same as someone who has put 8 years more time into the game as you.


You both have the same opportunities. But those who put the time in get the reward. And those who expect things given to them dont.

Its like saying just because my mate is 21 he gets to by alcohol. But im only 16 but I want the same as him?

No, hes older.. thats just how it is. When you're that old you can get a beer too.
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#13 - 2013-02-11 12:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakan MacTrew
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
No to just about everything in that paragraph.

This.

If a new player wants to throw money at the game to et ahead, they can buy a character from the Bazaar.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#14 - 2013-02-11 12:31:33 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
No to just about everything in that paragraph.


Just about everything?

To OP: No. No. No no no. No no no god no. No. Absolutely not.

Biomass. Character. Now.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-02-11 13:47:58 UTC
Please stop chewing on your keyboard, it is occasionally making words appear that to the untrained eye seem like a post.

That's the only way I can possibly justify your frothing idiocy making it onto these forums.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#16 - 2013-02-11 15:17:31 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
No to just about everything in that paragraph.


this.

new players can buy the plex to buy a T2 BPO? only if the previous owners sells it to them for such an amount. thats not pay 2 win.

plexes may get u a lot of isk from other players, but it does not make isk out of thin air, and it does not allow u to fly what u have not skilled for. eve is not pay 2 win.

the lottery was awful for T2 production and allowed older players to completely monopolise T2 equipment. this is surely the opposite of what ur trying to get.

eve is a very time and effort intensive game. if u cannot handle the grind then u should contract all ur stuff to me and find another game to play. Big smile

older player are already monopolizing T2 prod.

because those very same player owns the T2 BPOs and the main ressource required for T2 production.

OTEC / NOTEC everyone?.

what CCP need to do ery fast, is to get RID of t2 bpos, and do something about the null moon goo.

the current situation is making the big block impossible to challenge, the null is theres and even with the best will, you will never stand a chance against em, they just cannot be challenged at all, while a lowsec alliance, at his best, can work to afford 2-3 mothers a MONTH, big blocks can afford 50+, AND they start with bigger assets.

heck, even if ALL the lowsec ppl team up to challenge one of the block, they wouldn't be able to have 20% of the power a big block have
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#17 - 2013-02-11 15:23:51 UTC
Bum Shadow wrote:
Believe it or not this is an MMO.

You put the time and effort in and you get the reward. There is NO reason why you should get the same as someone who has put 8 years more time into the game as you.


You both have the same opportunities. But those who put the time in get the reward. And those who expect things given to them dont.

Its like saying just because my mate is 21 he gets to by alcohol. But im only 16 but I want the same as him?

No, hes older.. thats just how it is. When you're that old you can get a beer too.

agreed on that, but the T2 BPO are not fair in this sense.

it is IMPOSSIBLE to get some actually, because they have stopped giving them.

CCP should delete them, or mak them unusable, because unless all the other things in EVE, a new player has absolutely NO chances at all to get one
Luc Chastot
#18 - 2013-02-11 15:44:29 UTC
You're from 2009 and you're complaining? I guess the bitterness came to you in a different way?

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

DSpite Culhach
#19 - 2013-02-11 16:20:27 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Bum Shadow wrote:
Believe it or not this is an MMO.

You put the time and effort in and you get the reward. There is NO reason why you should get the same as someone who has put 8 years more time into the game as you.


You both have the same opportunities. But those who put the time in get the reward. And those who expect things given to them dont.

Its like saying just because my mate is 21 he gets to by alcohol. But im only 16 but I want the same as him?

No, hes older.. thats just how it is. When you're that old you can get a beer too.

agreed on that, but the T2 BPO are not fair in this sense.

it is IMPOSSIBLE to get some actually, because they have stopped giving them.

CCP should delete them, or mak them unusable, because unless all the other things in EVE, a new player has absolutely NO chances at all to get one


Has it ever been mentioned anywhere just how many of these damn T2 BPO's are left in existance anyway?

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2013-02-11 16:39:17 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Please stop chewing on your keyboard, it is occasionally making words appear that to the untrained eye seem like a post.

That's the only way I can possibly justify your frothing idiocy making it onto these forums.

NICE ! lol
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