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improved access to Null Sec for part time pilots.
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Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#121 - 2013-02-09 01:22:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Subdolus Venator
Zen Dad wrote:


Not really - but whats the difference between that and you asking for the sandbox to stay in the shape it is to suit you?

Ah! But I don't make that demand - I'm quite willing to accept changes made for the benefit for the community as a whole. And I will adapt to those changes. I seek nothing to enhance my play, because I make my play out of what I find.
The changes you're suggesting do not seem to me to be in the best interests of the community as a whole. Blink

Of course, I could be wrong. But I don't think so - Or I would've either said nothing, or supported your proposals.

EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-02-09 02:19:40 UTC
so you want to take something that nullseccers have to pay for (ihub upgrades that cause more wormholes to spawn in the system) and give it to us for free

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#123 - 2013-02-09 03:05:01 UTC
If you can't run the gatecamps then you don't deserve to be here. Judging from the intel channels buzzing at any given moment plenty of other people have managed to wander in.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#124 - 2013-02-09 03:21:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Cpt Roghie wrote:
You can live in High-sec one jump out of 0.0 and alot of pvp. (Torrinos)

HTFU.


Is this the gateway to goon heaven Big smile I think I'll jump through that very gate in my iteron III filled with precious toyes for the poor and despot Goon members tomorrow not sure what time, maybe 10:30 am pct and if a nice person can help me get back to hi sec quickly I would appreciate itBig smile

Will be jumping into EC-P8R so I expect a welcome party in my honor between 10:30 and 11:00 am pct and I will be carrying stuff.

Changed my time schedule to earlier times...anybody know a goon custom agent I can bribe to look the other way as I jump thru?

Look for the Mexican pinata and it will have candy for y'all.
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#125 - 2013-02-09 08:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Dad
Subdolus Venator wrote:
Zen Dad wrote:


Not really - but whats the difference between that and you asking for the sandbox to stay in the shape it is to suit you?

Ah! But I don't make that demand - I'm quite willing to accept changes made for the benefit for the community as a whole. And I will adapt to those changes. I seek nothing to enhance my play, because I make my play out of what I find.
The changes you're suggesting do not seem to me to be in the best interests of the community as a whole. Blink

Of course, I could be wrong. But I don't think so - Or I would've either said nothing, or supported your proposals.


i actually didnt demand anything. i put a suggestion up on the forum for CCP to look at . It might get 1/10 or 10/10 and appreciate there are people who dont want it. Some of the reaction is obviously hypocritical ,identifiable by personal attack and bizarre reasoning

If these people control the forums, do they end up with an undue influence on the game?

Its a possibility Inner circle of influence.

Ill probably never know

More 0.0 temporary access 0.0 through WH please Hehe. Lol
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#126 - 2013-02-09 09:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I use wormholes to get from high sec to 0.0 quite often.

Direct connections are rare though, and indeed the nature of wormhole classes is such that you can get to null better from a class 5 or 6 easier than classes 1-3.


So there's much to chance here.


Sometimes I go into a class 3 from high sec and find a WH to 0.0 in less than 30 minutes. More often I have to go from that low class WH into a class 4-6 WH system and then find a hole to null from there.

To date there is no predictability as to what goes where.

My guess is that direct highsec to null holes and class 5-6 from high sec (that are likely to have a null hole) are an anomaly or in the expected range of "statics", something we might consider a "wandering hole" that some people think is roughly 1 per constellation ("think" - not really sure).

Asking for high-sec to null holes is to ask for changing the way holes presently work, but much of this works on chance, and so what is being asked for by the OP already happens just not reliably.

I should also point out that nullsec being so vast, a instant hole to null means you will not be able to get back as fast or reliably so, and end up in a class4-6 there, and be "several deep" in the classifications that you have to find a class 2-3 from there and then get back to highsec that way. There is considerable waiting in that case, and if you are unlucky you can be stuck in a dead end class 5 or 6 for weeks (this has happened).

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#127 - 2013-02-09 09:12:08 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
If you can't run the gatecamps then you don't deserve to be here. Judging from the intel channels buzzing at any given moment plenty of other people have managed to wander in.



I do deserve to be here because i pay £9.99 a month. Ask CCP.

Even though you, your father and your fathers father ran gate camps , it still doesn't make it a noble act. And avoiding gate camps is not the issue The issue is quick 0.0 from a high sec or lo sec for fun. I suppose FW.RvB is quick PVP for similar reasons.

Zen dad requesting a teeny weeny % increase in direct null access via WH from Empire Weighted perhaps towards the lowest security lo sec.

Thank you.




Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#128 - 2013-02-09 09:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Dad
Zen Dad wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I use wormholes to get from high sec to 0.0 quite often.

Direct connections are rare though, and indeed the nature of wormhole classes is such that you can get to null better from a class 5 or 6 easier than classes 1-3.


So there's much to chance here.


Sometimes I go into a class 3 from high sec and find a WH to 0.0 in less than 30 minutes. More often I have to go from that low class WH into a class 4-6 WH system and then find a hole to null from there.

To date there is no predictability as to what goes where.

My guess is that direct highsec to null holes and class 5-6 from high sec (that are likely to have a null hole) are an anomaly or in the expected range of "statics", something we might consider a "wandering hole" that some people think is roughly 1 per constellation ("think" - not really sure).

Asking for high-sec to null holes is to ask for changing the way holes presently work, but much of this works on chance, and so what is being asked for by the OP already happens just not reliably.

I should also point out that nullsec being so vast, a instant hole to null means you will not be able to get back as fast or reliably so, and end up in a class4-6 there, and be "several deep" in the classifications that you have to find a class 2-3 from there and then get back to highsec that way. There is considerable waiting in that case, and if you are unlucky you can be stuck in a dead end class 5 or 6 for weeks (this has happened).



Thanks for that detailed information. I think such dedicated WH work is beyond me currently but its a very interesting area. Are you doing this solo or in a corp or with friends.?
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2013-02-09 10:53:09 UTC
Zen Dad wrote:

I do deserve to be here because i pay £9.99 a month. Ask CCP.


I pay my £9.99 and I don't have a titan. Wheres my titan CCP?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#130 - 2013-02-09 11:20:58 UTC
Zen Dad wrote:
Zen Dad wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I use wormholes to get from high sec to 0.0 quite often.

Direct connections are rare though, and indeed the nature of wormhole classes is such that you can get to null better from a class 5 or 6 easier than classes 1-3.


So there's much to chance here.


Sometimes I go into a class 3 from high sec and find a WH to 0.0 in less than 30 minutes. More often I have to go from that low class WH into a class 4-6 WH system and then find a hole to null from there.

To date there is no predictability as to what goes where.

My guess is that direct highsec to null holes and class 5-6 from high sec (that are likely to have a null hole) are an anomaly or in the expected range of "statics", something we might consider a "wandering hole" that some people think is roughly 1 per constellation ("think" - not really sure).

Asking for high-sec to null holes is to ask for changing the way holes presently work, but much of this works on chance, and so what is being asked for by the OP already happens just not reliably.

I should also point out that nullsec being so vast, a instant hole to null means you will not be able to get back as fast or reliably so, and end up in a class4-6 there, and be "several deep" in the classifications that you have to find a class 2-3 from there and then get back to highsec that way. There is considerable waiting in that case, and if you are unlucky you can be stuck in a dead end class 5 or 6 for weeks (this has happened).



Thanks for that detailed information. I think such dedicated WH work is beyond me currently but its a very interesting area. Are you doing this solo or in a corp or with friends.?


Please see where I have covered this topic. The answer is yes, and once you hole it past the gank pipelines and intel channels, you can stay out there for weeks without seeing anybody else. Nullsec is mainly deserted, with most of the people in null running highsec incursion alts anyway.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2485461#post2485461



Bring back DEEEEP Space!