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C3 Loki

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-08 18:47:29 UTC
Hai. I'm looking to get into wormholes with a friend, and was wondering, can a solo Loki run the C3 anoms? If so, any fit recommendations?

Also, what would the risk be of capital ships finding their way into the C3, from outside?

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Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-08 18:49:39 UTC
Capital ships can't enter wormholes smaller than C5, so the risk of that happening is flat out 0. They'd have to be built inside your hole.
Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-08 19:25:59 UTC
Any reason for not using a Tengu?
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-08 19:29:01 UTC
Malception wrote:
Any reason for not using a Tengu?


I don't have Caldari ships trained up to 5, nor do I plan on training them on this character.

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illy velo
Emergency and I
#5 - 2013-02-08 21:57:55 UTC
I think you are going to have trouble soloing C3 sites with a lone loki. I imagine it is possible but most use an active shield tengu variant. Passive drakes could also do most C3 sites if they ran in big enough packs, two or three would usually work for the public sites.
Doctorkaba
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-02-08 22:03:44 UTC
eeeeh, as much as i love the loki and legion, and trust me, I really do, they are horrible horrible ships to do pve in if your spawns are far apart. But yes you can, or so others say.

Check this out: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20722

I found that my drake preformed better than my loki in c3 sites when partnered with a drake friend, but that could be a skill problem. Also if i remember correctly, most of the triggers are the frigs and crusiers. If I am correct about that, then you will want to kill the BS before the others, increasing the horribleness of the loki. But it is your choice.

Want some pvp help? Like to fly small and fast frigates? Then join the in game channel Tenori_Tigers!

Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-09 00:51:49 UTC
Doctorkaba wrote:
eeeeh, as much as i love the loki and legion, and trust me, I really do, they are horrible horrible ships to do pve in if your spawns are far apart. But yes you can, or so others say.

Check this out: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20722

I found that my drake preformed better than my loki in c3 sites when partnered with a drake friend, but that could be a skill problem. Also if i remember correctly, most of the triggers are the frigs and crusiers. If I am correct about that, then you will want to kill the BS before the others, increasing the horribleness of the loki. But it is your choice.



Ahh, thanks. So, any possible recommendations for ships other than the Drake or Tengu? I "could" use a drake, but would rather not due to my low missile skills.

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Doctorkaba
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-02-09 02:41:40 UTC
BSs i have been told are the next best thing to a tengu. Can you fly those? If not I think i have heard the slepneir is ok, I think it can go arty without sacrificing that much tank. You could try the drone boat side, you have to use some weird fits though.

Want some pvp help? Like to fly small and fast frigates? Then join the in game channel Tenori_Tigers!

Yalawni
Demonstrably False
#9 - 2013-02-09 03:20:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Yalawni
Something else to consider....

Fly ANY T3 with a pve fit to run anoms solo and you may as well hang a neon sign around your neck that says "juicy target please gank me"

I run alot of anoms solo in c3's and whilst I could do it better and faster in a T3 I use an insured drake so that when I (inevitably) get ganked from time to time, its just, meh.. 'cost of doing business' (one anom pays for cost of insurance and loss easily) instead of ****, I just lost a T3

o/
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#10 - 2013-02-09 13:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Operative
I've used this fit for awhile now and it is brilliant. I normally have something more useful in the high since my salvager alt has the probe launcher. Just stay aligned and finger on the warp button to avoid ganks.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57972-Loki-WH-PVE-Plexer-LVL-4.html
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-09 14:55:52 UTC
I don't know about the Loki, but a friend of mine and I used to run C3's with a Tengu Legion pair. He eventually trained a Tengu, but we found the Tengu legion was faser than 2 Tengu's What the legion lost in range it made up for in its damage against smaller targets. He could kill the frigates and cruisers faster than the Tengu. And the range wasnt as bad for this as the frigates and cruisers tend to burn into range fast.

I'd imagine a Loki would have the added benefit of the bonused webs.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-02-10 22:49:10 UTC
Problem with non missile ships is range. Not a problem if there are 2 of you, but solo a trigger will web you and you will never catch the bigger ships to kill.. yes you can pop that little frig holding.. but he will spawn friends, and while you playing with him, his buddy will drain your cap from 50km Plus...
Cypher Decypher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-02-10 22:56:18 UTC
A well-trained Legion (C-type repper or twin T2) can clear most C3 anoms quicker than a Tengu. It takes practice, but once you're familiar with spawn locations you can one-shot Scorch frigs before they're in range.
That said, I also found that if you've got a wingman, a Tengu-Legion combo works best.
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#14 - 2013-02-11 19:25:05 UTC
There's no problem soloing C3 with a Loki at all. It may take a bit longer than tengu, like 15 min per site, mainly due to webs on you.
Make a cap-stable active armor tank.

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Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#15 - 2013-02-12 06:25:03 UTC
Cypher Decypher wrote:
A well-trained Legion (C-type repper or twin T2) can clear most C3 anoms quicker than a Tengu

Same does with a decent fit Loki or Proteus, but I do agree, you need a Wingman to start on the distanced targets whilst you're taking down close range. It only asks more Human activities which, tbh, spices EVE up a bit instead of of sitting in your Tengu at great distances burning your AB.

Still, Juicy C3's, I prefer to run them with a small gang and using my Deimos with a wing'd Talos/Oracle/Tornado and a Scimi

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-12 20:33:14 UTC
Alright, thanks for the answers everyone.

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Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-02-13 04:55:16 UTC
Recently i have been playing around with a Missile Loki, and i've come to the conclusion that it could probably handle C3 sites. The DPS is slightly lower than a Tengu, about 50 DPS after you account for Drones, and the range is shorter, but i think that after you account for the ability to fit a 35km web it could be mostly negated by being able to apply full/near full damage with T2 missiles.
It can also fit a 100mn Afterburner without fitting mods, which is extremely useful, and with the changes to active Armor in the next patch it may be a very viable boat for it, even with relatively minimal pimp (I was using a C-type rep, 70m, and a Navy web, another 50-60m).
Not so much a replacement for a Tengu as it is a possible Alternative, assuming you have the Missile skills. I would imagine it would work rather well if paired with a Legion too.

The real downside is you'll probably need a Cap Injector.

Take this with a grain of salt though, i haven't done any serious testing with it, it's just an idea i had because i saw someone doing Exploration in Amarr Lowsec using Missiles. I was honestly surprised by how seemingly decent it was.
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#18 - 2013-02-13 23:25:18 UTC
Solo T3 can be ganked in anomalies easily. Always stay aligned out and warp as soon as you see anything that should not be there on dscan. A lot of people will sacrifice bombers to tackle you long enough to warp in a dictor and bubble you for a heavier fleet (since bombers have no delay after decloaking and can warp cloaked). You will have to be fast.

Also, a friend who dscans/keeps probes out constantly is also helpful.

Make sure you can afford to loose your shiny, solo C3 ship. You probably will at some point. I lead several fleets that killed Shiny in a C3 while at GTB.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#19 - 2013-02-14 10:53:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
If you really need to run c3 sites solo, better take an armageddon :)
Faster than a loki for a third of the price!

Edit: Confirming that a shinies mortality rate rises to 1 when any pvp group k-holes into your c3.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#20 - 2013-02-18 13:10:51 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
If you really need to run c3 sites solo, better take an armageddon :)
Faster than a loki for a third of the price!


Edit: Confirming that a shinies mortality rate rises to 1 when any pvp group k-holes into your c3.


How is the geddon working? I currently use a domi with sentries, but the tank is a bit tricky. Have to warp out if they do not aggro the drones and getting full dps from the sleepers.
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