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What warp speed would really look like

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-06 19:15:46 UTC
I fail to understand how one can see anything at warp-speed,
because as to achieve WARP speed,
space around the ship gets WARPED AROUND THE SHIP,
which means that no light whatsoever outside of the bubble would ever reach the ship,
so it's either 100% darkness inside that bubble or whatever kind of light the bubble creates inside of it ...
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#22 - 2013-02-06 20:15:31 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
TyeBaak wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
RL warp speed would be utterly and totally black in all wave-lengths. Since you're travelling faster than light, no electro magnetic waves would ever catch up to you (save the ones you bounce through accidentally). There'd be literally nothing to see, because the light would never catch up to your ship.


What about the light sources you're moving toward?


Interesting question. My quess is they would be blue shifted so far up the scale they'd be undetectable.
But, check the post above mine. Seems it may not be completely black after all. Hello CMB.


All the visible light would blue-shift to "invisible" (X-rays or whatever), but things like radio waves and microwaves would go similarly blue-shift into the visibile spectrum.

You certainly wouldn't see nothing at all.

As for people trying to argue scientifically based on the fictional concept of "Warp speed"... just don't do that.

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Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-02-06 21:08:41 UTC
Warp speed isn't fictional.
There's a big difference between fictional and hypothetical.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#24 - 2013-02-06 21:50:18 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
This is also of course assuming that one accelerates in a classical faction and doesn't use some other means of achieving superluminal velocity (ex. the Alcubierre drive).


OMG!!!

I had a (very) primitive idea for something like this in my teens!

It was around the time where dark matter was just entering into public consciousness. One day, I thought, "Imagine if dark matter was a form of matter that existed on multiple dimensions. And what if we could warp it, and in doing so warp our our space?"

What it ended up being was basically, you would have a ship surrounded by 'dark matter collectors' at a starting anchor point that would gather large quantities of dark matter around a ship.

It would then stretch the dark matter to a destination anchor point at a distant star. Since dark matter and our matter are linked, it would by extension stretch normal space and the ship inside that space.

Finally, the dark matter collectors would 'let go' of their starting anchor point, 'snapping' real space back to its normal configuration, but at the destination anchor point, in effect 'moving' the ship to its new destination.

Hehe...ah to be young again.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus

Merouk Baas
#25 - 2013-02-06 22:52:50 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
I fail to understand how one can see anything at warp-speed, because as to achieve WARP speed, space around the ship gets WARPED AROUND THE SHIP,which means that no light whatsoever outside of the bubble would ever reach the ship, so it's either 100% darkness inside that bubble or whatever kind of light the bubble creates inside of it ...


The only example we have of space being warped severely is the event horizon, and from the outside it's black. From the inside it could be white, transparent, lensed, blue-shifted, black, or other, and since warp drives are currently still science fiction, nobody really knows.
Merouk Baas
#26 - 2013-02-06 22:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
One day, I thought, "Imagine if dark matter was a form of matter that existed on multiple dimensions. And what if we could warp it, and in doing so warp our our space?"


The problem is that that's a step backwards:

We don't know what dark matter is, right now. To define it in terms of multiple dimensions, we'd have to know what those dimensions are AND what dark matter is and how it fits in those dimensions.

It's like, "Daddy, what is an automobile?" "Well, kiddo, first let me explain roads, and to explain roads let me explain the shape of the Earth and distances, and to explain the Earth let me explain stars, galaxies, and the whole universe."
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#27 - 2013-02-07 00:00:19 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
One day, I thought, "Imagine if dark matter was a form of matter that existed on multiple dimensions. And what if we could warp it, and in doing so warp our our space?"


The problem is that that's a step backwards:

We don't know what dark matter is, right now. To define it in terms of multiple dimensions, we'd have to know what those dimensions are AND what dark matter is and how it fits in those dimensions.

It's like, "Daddy, what is an automobile?" "Well, kiddo, first let me explain roads, and to explain roads let me explain the shape of the Earth and distances, and to explain the Earth let me explain stars, galaxies, and the whole universe."


This was 25 some odd years ago when I was a *lot* younger. I was letting my imagination run wild, and it just happens that it ran along an idea similar to that 'Alcubierre drive.' But without any of the fancy science to back it up.

Don't be so serious. Smile

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-02-07 00:38:15 UTC
WITHOUT those inertial damper thingies --- warp speed is only going to look like a mushy, pinkish smear at the "back" of whatever crew space the ship was supposed to have.

They'll be scraping you off the wall with a spatula... good luck with that.

Blink

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Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-02-08 19:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakach
Felicity Love wrote:
WITHOUT those inertial damper thingies --- warp speed is only going to look like a mushy, pinkish smear at the "back" of whatever crew space the ship was supposed to have.

They'll be scraping you off the wall with a spatula... good luck with that.

Blink


If using an Alcubierre drive, you don't actually accelerate, space around the ship distorts, but space within is normal. No dampening needed.

Gravity(distortion of space) doesn't actually acceleration objects, it accelerates space, which drags objects along with it, but within the space, the object is not moving.

Gravity is actually not a perfect example because it has a gradient, which means the space nearer the object is moving faster than the space further away, meaning a "falling" object doesn't actually sit perfectly still relative to the space.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-02-08 19:05:18 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
I fail to understand how one can see anything at warp-speed,
because as to achieve WARP speed,
space around the ship gets WARPED AROUND THE SHIP,
which means that no light whatsoever outside of the bubble would ever reach the ship,
so it's either 100% darkness inside that bubble or whatever kind of light the bubble creates inside of it ...


Or you could see into the past Cool

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Chylogos
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-02-08 20:33:41 UTC
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#32 - 2013-02-08 21:20:18 UTC
Pretty awesome that your linking other games in EVE's General Discussion.

Now with 100% less Troll.

YuuKnow
The Scope
#33 - 2013-02-09 02:44:18 UTC
Wow, too much pseudo-intellectualism here. RL Science fail all around.

Anyway. Its a cool effect.

yk
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-02-09 02:50:47 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Wow, too much pseudo-intellectualism here. RL Science fail all around.

Anyway. Its a cool effect.

yk


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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-02-09 06:48:04 UTC
I always felt that Warhammer 40k's version of warp speed(or rather traveling through the warp) was cool. Traveling faster than light is just to simple, you should have to go through hell to do that.

Literally

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121102102527/warhammer40k/images/4/48/Realm_of_Chaos.jpg

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-02-09 07:04:48 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I fail to understand how one can see anything at warp-speed, because as to achieve WARP speed, space around the ship gets WARPED AROUND THE SHIP,which means that no light whatsoever outside of the bubble would ever reach the ship, so it's either 100% darkness inside that bubble or whatever kind of light the bubble creates inside of it ...


The only example we have of space being warped severely is the event horizon, and from the outside it's black. From the inside it could be white, transparent, lensed, blue-shifted, black, or other, and since warp drives are currently still science fiction, nobody really knows.

It would be a fairly simplistic matter of calculating what the outside universe would look like when very near to the event horizon. Once you cross it, however, that's another story entirely.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Tiberius Amzadee
The Night Stalker Syndicate
#37 - 2013-02-09 07:16:44 UTC
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6B4hVLBm1g[/url]

I was hoping it would look like this. Then again,the universe is a weird place the more we learn so who knows.
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