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Clone upgrades in depth article. Interesting read.
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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#121 - 2013-02-08 17:24:57 UTC
Maudad wrote:
I had stopped training before 92m SP on my PVP character . Cheap and cheerful T1 drunken roams cost me more than the cost of a small flotilla of such ships already, unfortunately I have BC V and Dest V so my clone costs are going to go up significantly when the extra 6m SP takes me up a clone.

I believe in 'Don't fly what you can't afford to lose' as the essence of EVE, but setting the floor to that cost of loss at 6x the cost of a cheap ship is a disincentive to PVP not based on game balance. If I am in a cheap ship the chances are that I am only utillising a faction of those skills so the penalty is purely for being too old and not having a stable of characters, I just do not see the logic.

Another reason why the argument, "Skill one of your other alts." is a bad idea.

Hang in there friend.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#122 - 2013-02-08 17:36:02 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Just wanted to share a bit more information in regards to the, "Just train an alt to enjoy small ships." crowd.

Let's say you want to enjoy flying one race assault ship - only. Including all the core skills associated, your optimized learning plan is...

*drum roll*

589 days, 13 hours, 54 minutes and 5 seconds.

That's right folks. Over a year and a half of training an alt to fully use an assault frigate to the capacity your main already does. Total skill points invested is 28,085,020. Which means you need the clone upgrade that covers 32,800,00 skill points. That lower one wont cut it. Granted your clone now cost 2,990,00 ISK; you still had to train for over a year and a half to get to that point.

I guess one would say training alt characters is the best bad plan to work around a terrible game mechanic that clone upgrades are. Clone upgrades are just as bad as learning skills. Perhaps it made sense at the time when it was designed, but the game marches on and needs to evolve.

Being against their removal because you chose to train an alt and are now invested in retrained core skills does not mean this mechanic should stay. That is just the same as those who proclaimed that learning skills should stay because they had to train them. So if they had to suffer, so should everyone else.

Again people. Over a year and a half for one race assault ship. Oh and the assault ship I picked was the armor tanked Retribution. If I picked a Gallente assault ship, that would mean I would have to train drone skills, which means the plan would take even longer. Vengeance you say? Well that is another weapon system...



or spend some isk and buy a character that's already trained.

seriously, put in the time, or pay someone else to, or better yet just train everything to level 4. most 5's are not necessary. i'm so sick of the gimme gimme gimme crap. go play skyrim on godmode or something, that should appease your ego for awhie.


I'm sorry, but you're wrong in this case. I don't think anyone is against reckless entitlement thinking as I am, I should not named this character "Rolanda Reagan" or something lol.
Sure, you can make alts for stuff (I made a faction warfare alt), but that doesn't address the problem that made you do that in the 1st place.

Just because you can work around something doesn't make the original something worthwhile and some people forget that. This games ancient clone upgrade scheme needs to be reformed into something that doesn't discourage veteran players from pvp and risk.

On the odd occasions I do pvp I too tend to do it on cheaper toon.