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Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-02-08 13:32:08 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Greetings, Sasha.

I suggest you to check my collateral holding contract page out.

- I have my own ways and actuarial analysis to gauge collateral value that allow for some months worth of prediction in advance. This has usually to be re-checked before new game expansions are delivered.

- I can setup a margin system with the Investees so that no Investor ends up losing or risking over time. Basically the underlying collateral is marked to market at pre-set periods (daily, weekly...) and a delta may be requested to keep the collateral within predefined tolerance values.

- I can also setup insurance with interested parties so they are completely safeguarded against any risk of collateral depreciation.

Best regards,
Vaerah


Hello Vaerah!
I meant to message you last night but found myself asleep at the keyboard this mourning. I will shoot you a message this afternoon and maybe we can have a conversation in-game discussing some of you're terms (yes I have more questions =X ). Thank you for your interest!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#22 - 2013-02-08 13:34:26 UTC
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
-Sasha Bonds-

A Corporate Bond


The collateral will be held by a 3rd party (still in the process of talking to the collateral holders at the moment).



who are you talking with?


I have been awaiting a response from Grendell (sat in his channel for a few days and seem to keep missing him :( ). I was also going to contact VV but as you can see she (he, we all know only men play female characters) beat me to the punch. If you have any other recommendations on 3rd parties to use I would be more than open to suggestions!


Yes sadly I am a he IRL, even if I find the fair sex to be incommensurably more interesting and multi-faceted than the boring male-dom.

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Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-02-08 13:35:13 UTC
Tom Hagen wrote:
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
Q: Is this bond going to be collateralized?

A: Yes, overly collateralized in the form of PLEX. We are valuing the collateral @510,000,000.00 ISK (510 Million ISK per). The collateral will be held by a 3rd party (still in the process of talking to the collateral holders at the moment).


Hello Sasha,

For a loan/IPO of this size I would consider running it without involving a 3rd party holder as that would increase your costs by the 3rd party fee (usually around 1%). Many investors on this forum would be more than happy to hold collateral directly against the suggested interest.

Should you consider me trustworthy enough to hold the PLEX against a 1 Billion loan (your current risk exposure would be 60 million in overcollateralization against JITA) I would be happy to take the loan immidiately - please contact me in that case.

Cheers,

Tom


I have also considered this Tom. However seeing as overcolateralizing a bond would be a nice and easy way for someone to loan me 1 billion isk in return for 1.1+ billion ISK in colateral. I know many of the bigger names wouldn't risk their reputation for a small amount like this but I know there are hundreds of alts and scammers trolling these forums everyday. Again I am open to this idea but unsure as of now.

As for now this is still in the discussion phase so we won't be jumping into anything quite yet! Thank you for your interest Tom, we will stay in touch!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#24 - 2013-02-08 13:37:42 UTC
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Greetings, Sasha.

I suggest you to check my collateral holding contract page out.

- I have my own ways and actuarial analysis to gauge collateral value that allow for some months worth of prediction in advance. This has usually to be re-checked before new game expansions are delivered.

- I can setup a margin system with the Investees so that no Investor ends up losing or risking over time. Basically the underlying collateral is marked to market at pre-set periods (daily, weekly...) and a delta may be requested to keep the collateral within predefined tolerance values.

- I can also setup insurance with interested parties so they are completely safeguarded against any risk of collateral depreciation.

Best regards,
Vaerah


Hello Vaerah!
I meant to message you last night but found myself asleep at the keyboard this mourning. I will shoot you a message this afternoon and maybe we can have a conversation in-game discussing some of you're terms (yes I have more questions =X ). Thank you for your interest!


I will be online in about 3 hours from now. If you open a convo please allow me up to 15+ minutes to accept it as I am frequently AFK. Or, better, eve mail me first, those tend to pop in the computer I use to RL trade and browse internet.

Finally, I apologize for my website had an hosting server breakdown, they are 2 hours fixing it already, it should quasi-work now (extra slowly), they told me an ETA of about 1 more hour before it's fully recovered.

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Razor Rocker
Super Mother Fan Club
#25 - 2013-02-08 13:40:47 UTC
Well it seems I'm rather late to the party, and how tame a party it is! In any case, I can fill you're loan whenever you wish to start it. The interest is on the low side, but as long as the collateral is suitable, and because it is only for 1b, I'll help you out.

Also, I can hold the collateral, or a trusted 3rd party can. Whatever makes you feel safer.
Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-02-08 13:41:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Greetings, Sasha.

I suggest you to check my collateral holding contract page out.

- I have my own ways and actuarial analysis to gauge collateral value that allow for some months worth of prediction in advance. This has usually to be re-checked before new game expansions are delivered.

- I can setup a margin system with the Investees so that no Investor ends up losing or risking over time. Basically the underlying collateral is marked to market at pre-set periods (daily, weekly...) and a delta may be requested to keep the collateral within predefined tolerance values.

- I can also setup insurance with interested parties so they are completely safeguarded against any risk of collateral depreciation.

Best regards,
Vaerah


Hello Vaerah!
I meant to message you last night but found myself asleep at the keyboard this mourning. I will shoot you a message this afternoon and maybe we can have a conversation in-game discussing some of you're terms (yes I have more questions =X ). Thank you for your interest!


I will be online in about 3 hours from now. If you open a convo please allow me up to 15+ minutes to accept it as I am frequently AFK. Or, better, eve mail me first, those tend to pop in the computer I use to RL trade and browse internet.

Finally, I apologize for my website had an hosting server breakdown, they are 2 hours fixing it already, it should quasi-work now (extra slowly), they told me an ETA of about 1 more hour before it's fully recovered.


I happily am a man playing a female alter ego...although I don't know how I feel about her hair... anyways before I get off track on how I decided to model my pixel self.

I will shoot you an EveMail first as I know that RL is much more important to most, I myself have about 8 hours worth of homework to do this afternoon so my break time will be spent answering and asking questions here until I can find a moment to pop online!
Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-02-08 13:46:56 UTC
Razor Rocker wrote:
Well it seems I'm rather late to the party, and how tame a party it is! In any case, I can fill you're loan whenever you wish to start it. The interest is on the low side, but as long as the collateral is suitable, and because it is only for 1b, I'll help you out.

Also, I can hold the collateral, or a trusted 3rd party can. Whatever makes you feel safer.


Thank you for the interest Razor. As of now this is just a discussion, as I wanted to feel out the MD a bit (this place is usually darker and harsher than the game itself) and get input on what people thought of the possibility of a bond.

Again thank you for your interest in my operation. I will add you to the list of interested parties.

A side note: What do you think is a fair interest rate? As from what I have seen collateralized bonds usually run anywhere from 2-7%? As it is the possibility of my first bond I wanted to start with a number I absolutely know we can easily pay back. That being said there is still plenty of time for anything to change before launch!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#28 - 2013-02-08 14:24:18 UTC
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
Razor Rocker wrote:
Well it seems I'm rather late to the party, and how tame a party it is! In any case, I can fill you're loan whenever you wish to start it. The interest is on the low side, but as long as the collateral is suitable, and because it is only for 1b, I'll help you out.

Also, I can hold the collateral, or a trusted 3rd party can. Whatever makes you feel safer.


Thank you for the interest Razor. As of now this is just a discussion, as I wanted to feel out the MD a bit (this place is usually darker and harsher than the game itself) and get input on what people thought of the possibility of a bond.

Again thank you for your interest in my operation. I will add you to the list of interested parties.

A side note: What do you think is a fair interest rate? As from what I have seen collateralized bonds usually run anywhere from 2-7%? As it is the possibility of my first bond I wanted to start with a number I absolutely know we can easily pay back. That being said there is still plenty of time for anything to change before launch!


Generally the smaller the size, the easier is to make profit and the higher the interest the investors expect to get.

Depending on the current climate, one may offer more or less than the average. I.e. if it's weeks that all you see are crap offers / badly disguised scams etc. you might show up as the bright one serious chance for investors and so they'll accept a low interest rate.
If it's weeks there are people flaming investments and saying they are scams etc. it might even affect collateralized investments a bit and investors will want more interest.
If it's weeks with lots of decent investments going, then you'll have to compete with others to get investors interest.

Basically even investments are a market in the markets, following the laws of demand vs offer, of greed vs fear.

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Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-02-08 14:31:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Generally the smaller the size, the easier is to make profit and the higher the interest the investors expect to get.

Depending on the current climate, one may offer more or less than the average. I.e. if it's weeks that all you see are crap offers / badly disguised scams etc. you might show up as the bright one serious chance for investors and so they'll accept a low interest rate.
If it's weeks there are people flaming investments and saying they are scams etc. it might even affect collateralized investments a bit and investors will want more interest.
If it's weeks with lots of decent investments going, then you'll have to compete with others to get investors interest.

Basically even investments are a market in the markets, following the laws of demand vs offer, of greed vs fear.


Absolutely, and like I said the interest rate isn't set in stone yet. We as a corporation if/when we possibly launch this bond want to be 99% positive(since nothing is 100%) we can take on the investment load and return the interest and capital on time and in good form.
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#30 - 2013-02-08 16:29:59 UTC
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
Teir 2 (megathron, raven, apocalypse and Tempest) or any BPO with an NPC value that you would like to loan against. some capitol part bpo's are around the 1b purchase price.

Only reason i mentioned Teir 2, is. Those are in line to be re-modeled. after Battle-cruisers get re-done, i believe BS are in line for the next 'tiericide' and by the time the research peaks, and ME/PE are at optimal, there's a chance your corporation can benefit by getting a few builds from it. As an investment.

I idle in "syndicate rookie trader" in game and am on regularly, if you (or anyone else thinking of starting a bond) have any direct questions if you are unsure of what I said in my wall of words, or if i'm not in there or afk, i'm sure anyone in there will be able to help.


Sounds good Candy. When I get out of class here in a couple of hours I may drop by the channel and say hello. I stayed up about an extra hour reading the most current devblog about the upcoming changes and attempting to get in touch with some of the other manufacturers. The gentlemen who holds our BPO's and organizes the transportation of BPC's never came back online so I was unable to talk to him, however I am sure I will see him by the early evening sometime.

Quick question about the Teir 2 BPO's...these are NPC bought BPO's that would need to be researched and as you stated may be held by a 3rd party in which they would do research of the BPO while in their hold. As this sounds nice in theory what about the upfront cost, in other words starting a bond for 1 billion ISK and then turning around and buying a BPO would leave us relatively where we are as it would be in possession of a 3rd party and we wouldn't be copying it? Or am I wrong? I understand collateral holders would in a few cases be willing to run research and maybe do some copying for us, but again this would only add to our already growing costs.

As I said I will talk to our BPO guy and see what he says about this and get back to you with more questions I am sure.


The BPO idea works if you want to sell your plex, then buy the BPO, then give to 3rd party researcher/holder , then host bond.

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-02-08 18:34:18 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:


The BPO idea works if you want to sell your plex, then buy the BPO, then give to 3rd party researcher/holder , then host bond.


After reading up on this idea I believe this is the route we will be going. Due to the volatility of PLEX and a few other items we were thinking of offering as collateral having a BPO locked down being researched seems like a wonderful idea. Upon discussion with VV I wil let you guys know what we are thinking. As I am still waiting on our main BPO guy it may not be until later tonight.

Also Candy I sent you an EveMail!
Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-02-08 21:22:49 UTC
Quick update.

I spoke with VV earlier in-game about collateral holding. After a detailed discussion of the holding of BPO's vs PLEX as colateral I personally have decided that I would like to use BPO's as colateral rather than PLEX, however I cannot make this decision on behalf of my entire corporation so I will be discussing this with them tonight.

As of now I am looking at the interest rates. I have been browsing other offerings and I see the interest rates tend to be high on the uncollateralized offerings (obviously) and for colateralized it differs greatly. People have already showed concern at the interest rate being low @2%. There has also been the idea of KISS, and because of this I will be taking the advice and the following changes are effective immediately:
-Interest rate will now be 3% monthly.
-There will no longer be interest changes over certain stages of investment.

Now I know an extra 1% interest per month is not a huge difference, but again this is my first bond and I would like things to go smoothly as I get the hang of everything going on. Any questions or concerns about these changes please let me know!
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#33 - 2013-02-08 23:41:49 UTC
Hello Sasha,

I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.

Cheers,

Loan
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#34 - 2013-02-09 04:12:50 UTC
2013's MD most constructive thread (please lock it now mods, before the evil sperg arrives)

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#35 - 2013-02-09 04:28:01 UTC
Tom Hagen wrote:
Hello Sasha,

I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.

Cheers,

Loan


Solid vouch for either VV or Tom, have done deals with both players, VV uses implanted science characters from memory, although im sure Tom can offer the same thing, without a 3rd party fee.

You are in a nice position having all these lenders competing

@Tom, you signed of that post "loan" have you been taking grisonol?

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-02-09 04:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha DiAlfero
Tom Hagen wrote:
Hello Sasha,

I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.

Cheers,

Loan


Thanks for the interest Tom. As I said before this is just the discussion phase. I will be in touch!

Edit: Tom as of now we are compiling a list of BPO's that can be offered as collateral. The capital we are requesting is subject to change!
Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-02-09 04:38:19 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
2013's MD most constructive thread (please lock it now mods, before the evil sperg arrives)


I hope not Candy as I feel this is incredibly productive, not only for me but for others who may be interested in creating bonds in the future!
Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-02-09 04:40:58 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Tom Hagen wrote:
Hello Sasha,

I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.

Cheers,

Loan


Solid vouch for either VV or Tom, have done deals with both players, VV uses implanted science characters from memory, although im sure Tom can offer the same thing, without a 3rd party fee.

You are in a nice position having all these lenders competing

@Tom, you signed of that post "loan" have you been taking grisonol?


I am happy to see there is interest. We are currently working on a list of possible collateral BPO's and hopefully by the end of tonight, maybe the weekend, we will have something to give to you guys for evaluation!
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#39 - 2013-02-09 05:51:31 UTC
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
Tom Hagen wrote:
Hello Sasha,

I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.

Cheers,

Loan


Solid vouch for either VV or Tom, have done deals with both players, VV uses implanted science characters from memory, although im sure Tom can offer the same thing, without a 3rd party fee.

You are in a nice position having all these lenders competing

@Tom, you signed of that post "loan" have you been taking grisonol?


I am happy to see there is interest. We are currently working on a list of possible collateral BPO's and hopefully by the end of tonight, maybe the weekend, we will have something to give to you guys for evaluation!


Thats great, if you already own valuable BPO's that are in research, or not at there ME/PE for optimum builds, then leveraging them is a massive improvement to cash flow, for other opportunities that may come. And any loans against them are snapped up faster than Jerry can post his 20b.

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
Sasha DiAlfero
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-02-09 05:54:58 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
Tom Hagen wrote:
Hello Sasha,

I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.

Cheers,

Loan


Solid vouch for either VV or Tom, have done deals with both players, VV uses implanted science characters from memory, although im sure Tom can offer the same thing, without a 3rd party fee.

You are in a nice position having all these lenders competing

@Tom, you signed of that post "loan" have you been taking grisonol?


I am happy to see there is interest. We are currently working on a list of possible collateral BPO's and hopefully by the end of tonight, maybe the weekend, we will have something to give to you guys for evaluation!


Thats great, if you already own valuable BPO's that are in research, or not at there ME/PE for optimum builds, then leveraging them is a massive improvement to cash flow, for other opportunities that may come. And any loans against them are snapped up faster than Jerry can post his 20b.


I beat him to it in my discussion thread ftw!

Sasha DiAlfero wrote:


Also prepledging Jerry's 20B as this seems to be his go to troll <3
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