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Strip Miner I vs Strip Miner II w/ crystals
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Zavius Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-31 16:09:46 UTC
Hey everyone,

I'm fairly new to the game and have been occasionally mining to fund for much of my activities and business ventures in New Eden. I have spoken to a few people in game, about which strip miners to use, least to say I have both trained up.

That said, the first argument is for the strip miner II with crystals mentioning that it mines more per cycle.

Conversely, the second argument argues for the strip miner I was supported for higher efficiency as you were not required to change your crystals in mid-course and parsimonious in that regard.


Has anybody seen a significant difference among the two?

Thanks for any information concerning the strip miners.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-01-31 16:16:34 UTC
if you can use the strip II w/crystals, use 'em. the crystals last for a while, you can clear several belts before needing to swap them out. there really isn't a reason to use strip miner I's if you are already skilled for strip II's with the corresponding crystals.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2013-01-31 16:19:24 UTC
It takes exactly 1/2 a second to switch crystals which are waiting in your cargo. Who the heck told you it was a time wasting deal-breaker ? Wow.

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Zavius Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-01-31 16:24:32 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
It takes exactly 1/2 a second to switch crystals which are waiting in your cargo. Who the heck told you it was a time wasting deal-breaker ? Wow.


Someone that I was in a chat with. Alright this was my first thought until I heard otherwise.

Thanks guys.
Cap James Tkirk
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#5 - 2013-02-01 00:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cap James Tkirk
is not the answer always maths and numbers?????

the t2 crystals are fairly easy to get into and give a larger yeild do some searches on Tau hes an indy pro
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2013-02-01 01:37:58 UTC
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
is not the answer always maths and numbers?????




Being told inaccurate and wrong information about crystal mechanics in Chat has nothing at all to do with 'maths and numbers'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Rengerel en Distel
#7 - 2013-02-01 02:48:54 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
is not the answer always maths and numbers?????




Being told inaccurate and wrong information about crystal mechanics in Chat has nothing at all to do with 'maths and numbers'.

I believe he was referring more to the fact that with 'maths and numbers' the OP could have easily figured it out himself.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2013-02-01 04:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I just Google-d:
site:forums.eveonline.com cabalander "modulated"
and came up with this.

Miner I: 40 m3

Miner II: 60 m3

Modulated Deep Core Miner II with no or wrong crystal: 120 m3
Modulated Deep Core Miner II with T1 crystal: 120 m3 * 1.625 = 195 m3
Modulated Deep Core Miner II with T2 crystal: 120 m3 * 1.75 = 210 m3
Modulated Deep Core Miner II with T1 Mercoxit crystal: 120 m3 * 1.25 = 150 m3
Modulated Deep Core Miner II with T2 Mercoxit crystal: 120 m3 * 1.375 = 165 m3


Strip Miner I: 540 m3

Modulated Strip Miner II with no or wrong crystal: 360 m3
Modulated Strip Miner II with T1 Crystal: 360 m3 * 1.625 = 585 m3
Modulated Strip Miner II with T2 Crystal: 360 m3 * 1.75= 630 m3

Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with no or wrong crystal: 250m3
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T1 crystal: 250m3 * 1.625 = 406.25 m3
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T2 crystal: 250m3 * 1.75 = 437.50
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T1 Mercoxit crystal: 250m3 * 1.25 = 312.5 m3
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T2 Mercoxit crystal: 250m3 * 1.375 = 343.75 m3

EDIT: Removed reference to Skiff's old bonus.
Skorpynekomimi
#9 - 2013-02-01 09:08:44 UTC
T2 strippers with the right T2 crystals are far more effective than T1. The downside is that you need to replace crystals sometimes, and have the RIGHT crystal for the ore.

Highsec, same system every day? T2 strips and crystals.
Venturing into lowsec? T1 strips.

Economic PVP
Dedaf
United Brothers Of Eve
#10 - 2013-02-01 09:40:32 UTC
Yes for sure user T2 with crystals if you can.
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Dusty Meg
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-02-01 10:58:34 UTC
May have meant in terms of multi box users in null, many would only use t1 strips as they would be constantly swapping crystals

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Rebius Noir
ReDan Fleet
#12 - 2013-02-01 15:20:55 UTC
I have currently 2x ORE strip miners (wich are quait expensive) and one T2 strip miner with veldspar crystal in it and I can't be more satisfied.
Dave Stark
#13 - 2013-02-01 15:25:38 UTC
Dusty Meg wrote:
May have meant in terms of multi box users in null, many would only use t1 strips as they would be constantly swapping crystals


not really, it's more the fact that the hulk, for example, can't carry enough crystals for all the ore types rather than actually having to click twice to change a crystal.
Crexa
Ion Industrials
#14 - 2013-02-02 04:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Crexa
There are a few times where the reduction in yield using Strip I's is better. A heavy chance of getting ganked and you want to keep costs down. And, making a mining barge that is usable by all who may fly it (implies you won't be the only one using it).

Otherwise, use T2 strips with T2 crystals.

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Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-07 10:19:02 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I just Google-d:
site:forums.eveonline.com cabalander "modulated"
and came up with this.

Miner I: 40 m3

Miner II: 60 m3

Modulated Deep Core Miner II with no or wrong crystal: 120 m3
Modulated Deep Core Miner II with T1 crystal: 120 m3 * 1.625 = 195 m3
Modulated Deep Core Miner II with T2 crystal: 120 m3 * 1.75 = 210 m3
Modulated Deep Core Miner II with T1 Mercoxit crystal: 120 m3 * 1.25 = 150 m3
Modulated Deep Core Miner II with T2 Mercoxit crystal: 120 m3 * 1.375 = 165 m3


Strip Miner I: 540 m3

Modulated Strip Miner II with no or wrong crystal: 360 m3
Modulated Strip Miner II with T1 Crystal: 360 m3 * 1.625 = 585 m3
Modulated Strip Miner II with T2 Crystal: 360 m3 * 1.75= 630 m3

Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with no or wrong crystal: 250m3
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T1 crystal: 250m3 * 1.625 = 406.25 m3
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T2 crystal: 250m3 * 1.75 = 437.50
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T1 Mercoxit crystal: 250m3 * 1.25 = 312.5 m3
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T2 Mercoxit crystal: 250m3 * 1.375 = 343.75 m3

EDIT: Removed reference to Skiff's old bonus.


I believe the figures for T2 strips are wrong.
T2 strips with crystals get 360+360(*crystal modifier), so for T1 xtals they will be 945 and with T2 xtals they will be 990.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-02-07 21:18:29 UTC
Zavius Aideron wrote:
Hey everyone,

I'm fairly new to the game and have been occasionally mining to fund for much of my activities and business ventures in New Eden. I have spoken to a few people in game, about which strip miners to use, least to say I have both trained up.

That said, the first argument is for the strip miner II with crystals mentioning that it mines more per cycle.

Conversely, the second argument argues for the strip miner I was supported for higher efficiency as you were not required to change your crystals in mid-course and parsimonious in that regard.


Use strip miner I's when you're a bot and will not be in front of your computer for 10 hours at a time. Other than that there is no reason to ever not use modulated strip miners unless you are untrained in the ores that are available (null/wh for example).

Mining crystals last 8 - 10 hours. So changing crystals really ISNT an issue. Also if you have crystals in your cargohold they will automatically be replaced, you simply need to re-start the strip miner.

Basically to save yourself a few seconds of inconvenience of switching crystals every 8 hours will cost you:
Strip miner I 246,719,721
MSMII 287,894,428
Total 41,174,707 isk over 8 hours for a few seconds of inconvenience.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-02-07 23:56:36 UTC
Zavius Aideron wrote:
Hey everyone,

I'm fairly new to the game and have been occasionally mining to fund for much of my activities and business ventures in New Eden. I have spoken to a few people in game, about which strip miners to use, least to say I have both trained up.

That said, the first argument is for the strip miner II with crystals mentioning that it mines more per cycle.

Conversely, the second argument argues for the strip miner I was supported for higher efficiency as you were not required to change your crystals in mid-course and parsimonious in that regard.


Has anybody seen a significant difference among the two?

Thanks for any information concerning the strip miners.


Yes. I have seen a significant difference. My main miner brings in 1867 m3/sec, with Strip Miner IIS, and crystals, and implants, and skills. She can't get near that with Strip Miner Is. The crystals are a VERY LARGE hassle, but, even considering the cost of the crystals, she makes more ISK with them.

OTGH, never go to Null without a set of Strip Miner Is.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#18 - 2013-02-08 07:31:19 UTC
Julien Brellier wrote:
I believe the figures for T2 strips are wrong.
T2 strips with crystals get 360+360(*crystal modifier), so for T1 xtals they will be 945 and with T2 xtals they will be 990.


I don't think so.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#19 - 2013-02-08 12:51:15 UTC
If I remember correct then Strip II + T1 crystal is 8% yield gain over Strip I and Strip II + T2 crystal is 16% yield bonus over T1 Strips. Might not sound like much, but in mining few percent yield difference can cost quite a lot, depending on how much you do it.

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Hae Sung
#20 - 2013-02-08 19:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Hae Sung
Julien Brellier wrote:
I believe the figures for T2 strips are wrong.
T2 strips with crystals get 360+360(*crystal modifier), so for T1 xtals they will be 945 and with T2 xtals they will be 990.



Julien, your maths/understanding are off.
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