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Ok,

Its nice that you are giving the ability for all year and two year old players fly ships quicker and quicker for less skills. What are you going to do for pilots who spent the time for the 30 day trainings.

I would suggest that giving the ability for all players older than 5 years the choice to zero all skills then they can build their skills to the IV which is really all you need nowadays.

or give mods/ships to the older players that have all 5's or better tipple bonuses as they have painfully done the 30 40 day trainings for the 5s

Overall these changes are pretty great but I agree with Hans of the CSM on page one that JFC 4 and JDC 3 aren't a great idea for carriers. Some people in WH space have carriers with no need or intention of training any of the Jump skills ever.

Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration is a more logical choice to keep training time for a carrier high enough, and would nicely mirror the TWR requirement for Dreads.

The only reason I've read this thread to this point is to click on peoples names and then click "hide posts" when their post boils down to "will I still be able to fly X, after the change?" or "Will you [CCP] refund my skill points for training X which is now useless?"

I highly recommend doing that, as it cuts out a lot of the idiocy and people who have absolutely no reading comprehension whatsoever in this thread.

Thanks Serith Ellecon.

CCP - I've read more comments than I usually care to so excuse me if I'm repeating info already transmitted, and I understand the new tier system pretty well. What I suggest is that if you are going to go with everything becoming racial you need to include command ships in that. I suggest that in each racial required command ship skill you place a prerequisite for each kind of bonus it will be giving. Information warfare 5 for gall, skirmish for Minny etc etc. to compensate for the reduced train time, up the sp for each of the corresponding leadership skills. I'm positive that after this looking back you will still sit there and be like "we took out the generic destroyer and battle cruiser skills so why the hell did we don't do it for the rest of them?" - this leads to an obvious problem, marauders, blackops, etc etc, seeing as these are also "generic" skills rather than racial. Change them as well. No point in not doing so.
Second thing is clone cost (for most people, likely a non issue but indulge me). Right now we are paying x amount to cover x amount of sp. So someone who can fly every supcap in the game will still be able to, but they will be paying more for a clone sooner to do the same. Doesn't seem fair, especially since this clone coverage cost is isk that goes into the nether. Since I think it is unfair to give you a problem and be too lazy to consider a solution I say make the clone cost closer to "x isk / sp". Make more tiers and lower the cost for sp coverage a little bit. This is good for high and low sp pilots cause we all will have more sp, some more than others but it makes no sense that we will all be paying more sooner. ESP when we are paying...well...no one really. lol

Also, being able to fly a ship before and after is great, just so long as the skills required for the ship currently still are the ones effecting the bonuses to that ship. Ex, if command ships affects a bonus to the ship, and another requirement like armored warfare does, that's bull - because for those of us who fly command ships and don't do it for bonus purpose to lose effectiveness of the ship, that isn't good. I don't care so much if I can spin the same ships as I coul before, **** that, make sure that the bonus and functionality of every ship I can fly now will still be as effective to me after the patch. Sitting in a ship is overrated, having an awesome ship to be able to effectively use; is not.

This is a very difficult job done very well. Bravo, CCP.

I could quibble with my alt having already spend 40 something days training for an Orca, but I figure most of the time sunk into the skills is worth it.

Also, my favorite part was where you pointed out that the skill points added won't automatically bump up your clone grade. There are going to be more sad pandas after the summer expansion downtime than there are in WoW right now. I think I might take the day off work and just go around podding people.

Edit:


This helped resolve my original confusion about BC and Destro racial changes, after I read it over again.

Thanks.

Rather unhappy to see all those jump drive skills on the carrier; what about those folks who'd like to get into carriers, but have no intention of ever activating the jump drive since w-space doesn't permit their use?

ex: if now u can fly amarr CR, that means u've got amarr CR at least lvl 1, right?
after the changes hit, amarr DD will be inserted as prerequisites to train amarr CR,
but u CAN STILL FLY it.

Way to fuck race specialist, giving them less sp than other people.

Way to give people skills they don't want, I will get Gallente BC 5 out of that change since I got BC5 and Gallente cruiser 5, but don't have the slightest interest in flying one (no hybrid skills). Just got Gallente cruiser 5 for Cynabal and Oneiros, yet I will get extra useless SP that will count against my clone cost.

Giving people SP and leaving them affect them would be so much better...