Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm actually excited to see the industrials get role revamps!

I know it sounds silly, but when I first started EVE I was interested hauling and trading with a passion. When i got really into it, I realized I couldn't do what I really wanted to do with hauling at the time with the available hulls unfortunately. So, I moved on to a few other things. What I envisioned was a somewhat "Fly by the seat of your pants across the galaxy trader". With that in mind, I think a few different spins on the haulers really can be taken to make them fun for different players.

Here's some role ideas for the industrials.

Unlike the Mining barges' roles from "Heavy Tank", "Decent Tank VS Decent Mining", and "Great Mining" (procurer, retri, covetor) philosophy, the industrial roles can be more varied.

So, my idea is as follows :
Excellent Hauler Role -- Self-Explanatory. Equivalent to the best haulers in the game right now, Mammoth, Iteron V, etc.

Evasion Hauler Role -- With the Venture setting the standard for +2 warp stabs on T1 ships, a basic warp stab bonus on these and fast and maneuverable, with low hit points and low hauling potential of like 7,000m3 tops, leaving the Blockade Runner and Transport ships to be much better options for the advanced hauler.

Combat Industrial Role -- I think we REALLY need a proper combat industrial. The industrial should be able to defend itself from a frigate or 2, somewhat like a cruiser in terms of strength and hit points. It can do like 100-200 DPS, have a solid tank and be relatively maneuverable. The hold wouldn't be huge, but big enough to do 3,000-5,000m3 of hauling of stuff - and be alright for moving through some space solo with a small chance of survival. They would kinda be like a Cruiser basically, with some short comings to not compete with the Cruisers themselves, and obviously not combat related bonuses. These would be good support logistics for combat operations or for transporting in low sec with the expectation that you will get engaged but you want to defend yourself rather than run away.

Since the Amarr/Caldari only have 2 roles for the ships below, if you want to add specific roles to the Amarr/Caldari you would need to add another hull or "Mark II" one of the existing hulls. I.e. Sigil Mark II, Badger Mark III Or just add completely new hulls.

I don't know what to do with the 2 extra Iteron Hulls that don't fit into these roles. I think that's a pretty high level decision. But either duplicate roles for multiple combat ships or remove them.


My recommendations ::

Amarr :
Bestower :: Excellent Hauler
Sigil :: Evasion Hauler

Caldari:
Badger :: Excellent Hauler
Badger Mark ii :: Combat Hauler

Minmatar :
Hoarder :: Combat Industrial
Mammoth :: Excellent Hauler
Wreathe :: Evasion Hauler

Gallente :
Iteron :: Evasion Hauler
Iteron Mark 2 :: ??
Iteron Mark 3 :: Combat Industrial
Iteron Mark 4 :: ??
Iteron Mark 5 :: Excellent Hauler

ur combat industrial...fights like a combat ship but just not as good. so it still loses every fight it finds itself in. and because its specialised for combat and not a lol-tastic battle badger, ppl will never underestimate it. About as obvious and useful as the tank on a skiff.

as far as hauling in dangerous space goes, the evasion hauler would be the most sensible option and ur combat hauler would likely be relegated to afk hauler for its tank. and in that case, why bother with the DPS? just make it all tank.

the other two look fine tho. and the accessibility of all roles to all races doesn't screw anyone over.

It's not meant to win fights against cruisers, more like win fights against frigates/destroyers in the off chance that a light tackle gets on them or something like that. It gives it some teeth without being overpowered and enough tank to be useful as a combat transport without being too squishy.

Feel free to throw some other ideas out there, I'm just toying with the idea of industrials :)

I can see CCP doing to industrials what they did to mining barges.

1 for tanking (at the cost of cargo capacity and speed/evasion)

1 for cargo capacity (at the cost of tanking and speed/evasion)

1 for speed/evasion (at the cost of cargo capacity and tanking)

You can easily train into any racial hauler after the changes, so they may well decide to give a certain special role only to a single racial hauler.

Actually, you could have a model that paralleled the T1 logistics cruisers: Instead of having a decent sized cargo bay and massive rep capability, it would have a massive cargo bay and decent rep capability. Great for POS bashes, small gang roams with cap boosted ships, and other situations where you really want something with a significant cargo bay around.

What? Search? What is this Witchcraft!?

I seriously want a Transport ship with a 10k cargobay and a jump drive. Make me happy CCP.

It's not necessarily improvement that is the goal of tiericide, but removing the stepping stones you speak of.

There's no reason to fly an iteron 1, 2, 3 or 4 once you can fly the iteron 5. Fozzie looks to change that, cuz he's the man, and that's what Fozzie does.

The devblog posted yesterday stated that along with changes to the BC and destroyer skills, industrial ships skill needs will all be reduced to "racial industrial I", so ity 5s for everyone with a few minutes training.

That definitely says to me that roles will be given over to industrials by summer expansion release.

I check the first 4-5 pages for a thread. Also, reading the other threads, I didn't like how the original poster presented the arguments, and wanted to start my own with my way of getting a thread going.

The first post is too detailed and too many numbers and specifics which frankly, CCP by experience doesn't really take to heart. I compare this to hiring an artist to make a portrait, then thinking you can tell him how to draw the portrait. Let them do their magic, and if you think a specific number needs a tweak, then they'll do it.

The second post lacked any direction.

I like some of the ideas coming from this thread already, i.e. the fleet hangar for the combat industrial.