Wormholes

I have lived in WH's most of my EVE life, I have created enemies and friends alike and as a lot of you know I have no issue with stating my opinion right or wrong. So love me or hate me It really doesn't matter I will always let you know what I think without going under the table to whisper about it.


It seems the only issues stem from the C5 and C6 WH dwellers and they want to control the dialogue. Which is fine because they are the only ones running for CSM and talking about issues. I would be the first to admit they have built these large corporations and alliances so they do have experience in getting things done.

But is WH space really broken?

Yes, there are some things CCP can do to make WH's more exciting. Random spawns or maybe even increase the mass on the higher holes, or add more statics to the holes.

I have heard the word Stagnation bantered around a bit. Stagnation however is a word for the old and fat, so take it upon yourselves to make it more exciting and stop putting all the onerous on CCP. They have given you the ability to create a spark, it is up to you to turn it into fire.

With the exception of a couple of corps in the higher holes you are all just farmers with big blobs. You won't fight one another in any real fashion because you are too fat feeding on escalations. This isn't CCP's fault though they have a numerous amount that should be dealt with. You have entrenched yourselves in these holes with massive amounts of caps to protect yourselves and feel safe. Well, that is what it is all about, making sure you have a safe haven so you can do whatever you want. I have no Issues with that, 00 is the same just on a larger scale.

If it is something that really bothers you however, then just keep attacking them over and over again until they run out of isk. Don't tell me you can't do that because holes appear randomly. Really, you all have scouts in each others holes and you are constantly talking with one another. To hear you guys talk you might as well be married to one another.

You have now made an art of blob warfare with shinny ships from farming because it was the easy way to go. Stop complaining that no one will fight you. You have brought it on yourselves with the 30 man blobs. WH space isn't broken you just need to move to 00. Or just admit you are farmers. If not, do what BITTN does 24/7 roll the hole to kill the farmers and anyone else that happens along. ouch!

Most of you didn't come to WH space for pew, you came for the isk and you all know it and you are making a ton. That doesn't spell broken to me.

I come from the C5 experience and now fly in lower class holes. Yes, it was forced but none the less here I am. I brought the C5 tactics thinking I can just brawl on the hole. Well, I am currently getting my XXX kicked and there is a bit of a learning curve but there is no stagnation down here. Hmmmm not broken.

So ask yourselves what is truly broken?
Oh I know, The tower system and not really even that, just the corporate hanger is broken. Assigning divisions is fine. But allowing whoever has that division access to the same division in a different hangers is broken. It should be whoever gets assigned that hanger with that division should only be able to access that division in that hanger.

If you want to pew in WH space you have to hunt for it.
WH's aren't broken.

A WH representative with no agenda but yours?
Take a look at Night Beagle's idea. A voting system where you put in your vote on an issue. He then gets a statistic on what the majority wants then fights for those things to be implemented.

That is a true representative!
Not someone with two faces in politics, someone with their own agenda, or a yes man.

Night Beagle for CSM

Who said WH space is broken?

W-Space is not broken in any way. Some things that are in w-space are, namely POS's, roles and corp management in general, but those are just as broken elsewhere too. It just gets magnified tenfold as here we rely so much more on those roles when handling security. That said, not all of us came to w-space to farm. In the last 2 months I've done a grand total of 4 sites, none of which I did for isk. I hate all PvE, if I could play the game entirely without it, I would without any hesitation.

The only thing I find wrong in wormhole space is the exact same issue that is wrong elsewhere too. People being too occupied with grinding for those assets instead of concentrating just on having fun. Sure I admit that for someone doing sites or even missions can be fun I guess, but for me the fun comes from the excitement, the thrill of not knowing how the fight turns out in the end.

That said, Beagles idea is quite literally impossible. You simply can not stop a CSM meeting for a day or two with "wait guys, I need to go put up a vote on the forums and ask them what I should think about this issue that I can't talk about as agreed with the NDA". If he wishes to go with majority votes, his campaign needs to include those votes right about now so he has the rough outlines ready and that way people will know what it is that he will be pushing for. Otherwise there's simply no way he could do what he proposes he would do.

Hmm, my spider senses where tingling, sorry it took me a while to find where we where mentioned :)

Theres false intel there though, its impossible to chain 24/7, you did not take DT into account!




P.s. WHs are fine, change is coming :P

People are always going to farm. Luckily there are groups that spend the majority of their play time shooting them in the face every chance they get. Anyone who focuses on PvE is a terrible candidate. its a complete waste of time. And no, wspace isn't broken. We need a csm who will "protect" wormholes first, anything else is second, in my opinion.

the c5/c6 complaint is not so much we want to bring in blobs of caps or dread blapping, its due to a freeze in fleet meta that is caused by the way some ships function and how they interact with the WH mass restriction. As for fleet comp > dread blapping yes it is but only to a point. And only when you can ensure you won't get over run. also again goes back to how mass limits effects what you can bring, or how high you can escalate something.

The role of a WH CSM candidate is not to fix WHs, because they are not broken.
The role of the WH CSM is to make sure CCP don't horribly break WHs with whatever changes they put in for kspace.

PS:

this is so truly ignorant that it's almost funny.
high end WH dwellers absolutely do NOT want to be able to bring their entire cap fleet. go read the old 'wh stabilizer' threads to see how that was received.

as for dread blapping, the way the argument breaks down is that the people who know how to do it and use it regularly say it is broken and the people who dont use it or use it incompetently say it's not broken... yeah, dread blapping is fine...
there is NO fleet comp that is an effective counter to dread blapping apart from more dreads or 100mn AB T3s (and even those you can get hits on.)

Well, I'll at least agree with the OP in that wormholes are not stagnating. They're still developing in climate and politics each day, with minimal input from CCP.

POS roles and permissions do need some serious loving though.

No, the way it breaks down is this. For small corps, "Dread Blapping" is a vital defensive force multiplier. For medium sized pvp focused corps that scan out chains looking for what comes, it is a minor inconvenience that can be minimized or avoided in several ways (though most agree the Moros could use some balancing). For a handful of c6 corps, mostly yourselves, who do nothing but roll your static all day looking for the same 3 people to fight via direct connections, it is a problem because, while they all apparently don't like "Dread Blapping" and want "gudfites" none of them can muster the restraint to not pile on in overwhelming fashion.

Got even numbers? Defender have the high ground? (The pendulum of dominance between offense and defense is a RL Historical situation people have been dealing with for thousands of years.) Both sides still want to fight? Stop channeling Douglas Haig and arrange something! Are you that unimaginative? If the defender isn't willing to fight with out his oh-so-op dread fleet, you nerf it and you get NO fight unless you're willing to evict them (and you've been pretty insistent this isn't about evictions.)

Tbh, me and I guess everybody not living in a comfortable position at a C5/C6 couldn't care less about this 'freeze'. The only instance we are going to see dreads is at our own POSes, precariously defending our system against large corps that, if we hadn't them, probably could wipe us with a single hand.

How are you going to convince this people that their much needed caps must be nerfed for the good of those same C5/C6 corps that will most likely evict them later, because, oh, they got bored? I don't think you can.