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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#21 - 2013-02-07 21:25:39 UTC
Dessau wrote:
I have almost no 'teammates' in EVE, but I enjoy the game even knowing that there are things I will never see or do. I suspect there are plenty of casuals who are as active as they can be and have similar feelings.

I think it's just the shitposters whining about alliance income, and the fact that they're jealous of it, that makes casual players like you and me look terrible.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#22 - 2013-02-07 21:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Sab Sab Five wrote:
difference in EvE is that there are more people who want to make people whine than other typical mmo's.


Nah, with the higher population WoW has more people doing that, by far.

I'll bet across all WoW servers hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of max level players are ganking low level players into tears at this very moment.

Sorry to shatter any illusions that sort of thing is mature behavior which only happens in EVE.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-07 21:34:59 UTC
Funny thing is, I see more posts on the forums about taking things away from casuals than I see vice versa.. there's the rare one sure, but quite often I see people hulk jumping to the conclusion that that kind of stuff is what their complaints are about when its usually more wanting to make null sec more volatile. Not really a subject I'm qualified to speak on(so don't bother discussing it with me, I'm in no position to decide who I think is right or wrong, just my casual observation of how those convos turn out)... just seems to be one everyone grabs their torches and pitchforks for. I'd actually be more concerned about the number of unconstructive, "no, it HAS to be this way" type posts that offer no explanation, often justified by the poor excuse of being "tired of explaining it". Which is just that, an excuse. Even topics that go around in circles are better because at least you get to see the differing viewpoints and reasoning. But that's par for the course for forums.
Kate stark
#24 - 2013-02-07 21:41:17 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Sab Sab Five wrote:
difference in EvE is that there are more people who want to make people whine than other typical mmo's.


Nah, with the higher population WoW has more people doing that, by far.

I'll bet across all WoW servers hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of max level players are ganking low level players into tears at this very moment.

Sorry to shatter any illusions that sort of thing is mature behavior which only happens in EVE.


actually, they don't.
they sit in major cities, where you can't pvp, and wait for their invites to pop up telling them their loot pinata group is ready, or their pre-arranged pvp group is ready.

that's the reality of wow. you log in, do the same quests every day, while you wait for your queue to fill up so you can fight with or against some people.
i interact more with people in eve while mining, on my own. than i do doing cooperative activities with people on WoW.
because i chat while mining in eve, in wow i simply go afk or just do what the **** i want and ignore the people because a win and a loss have the same rewards so i just do as i please and get the same reward regardless.

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Ai Shun
#25 - 2013-02-07 21:55:28 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
I don't get it. Why do some people feel that all content should be available to every player, without effort and without teamwork?


It's worse in other MMOs. Here at least you get to shoot the entitlement groping whiners.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#26 - 2013-02-07 21:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Kate stark wrote:
actually, they don't.
they sit in major cities, where you can't pvp, and wait for their invites to pop up telling them their loot pinata group is ready, or their pre-arranged pvp group is ready.


Actually, they do. That's just in the last month, and only the ones who cared to record.

When i played years ago PvP servers were all about that sort of thing, and GMs never intervened. Appears to still be the case. But anyone who only does what you mentioned would never notice what goes on in low level zones.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Kate stark
#27 - 2013-02-07 22:03:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
Bane Necran wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
actually, they don't.
they sit in major cities, where you can't pvp, and wait for their invites to pop up telling them their loot pinata group is ready, or their pre-arranged pvp group is ready.


Actually, they do. That's just in the last month, and only the ones who cared to record.

When i played years ago PvP servers were all about that sort of thing, and GMs never intervened. Appears to still be the case. But anyone who only does what you mentioned would never notice what goes on in low level zones.


first video: ok so he ganks a few low levels *waiting for his pre-arranged pvp*
second video: is some one not ganking a low level
third video: is people of the same level fighting.
videos 4 5 and 6 aren't even WoW.

did you even try?

just to point that out, in the last month one person uploaded a video. i assume the rest aren't wow since 4 5 and 6 aren't. 1 person who recorded it, out of 10m subscribers. also, the most active (or at least well known) server in the EU is arguably the magtheridon server which, last i checked, was PVE, so you *can't* gank low levels.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#28 - 2013-02-07 22:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Kate stark wrote:
did you even try?


There's all kinds of relevant ones there out of the 242 returns. I was even giving you a break by limiting it to the last month. Try searching 'any time' if you need to, but i'm sure you don't want to do that.

Actually, "world of warcraft greifing" has even more results for 'any time'.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Kate stark
#29 - 2013-02-07 22:14:47 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
but i'm sure you don't want to do that.


truth be told, i'd rather watch a wow pvp video than an eve one. mainly because things are actually happening rather than watching a blob of pink boxes cluster the screen for 15 mins then the video ends after nothing seems to have happened.

however, no, i don't want to watch wow videos.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#30 - 2013-02-07 22:18:04 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
however, no, i don't want to watch wow videos.


Then we agree on something, at least.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#31 - 2013-02-07 23:02:38 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
but i'm sure you don't want to do that.


truth be told, i'd rather watch a wow pvp video than an eve one. mainly because things are actually happening rather than watching a blob of pink boxes cluster the screen for 15 mins then the video ends after nothing seems to have happened.

however, no, i don't want to watch wow videos.

I hate those. That being said, there are many that give you a really good look at what is going on... you just have to look for them.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#32 - 2013-02-07 23:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
The great and awesome thing about WoW is, its flooded with people who dont take it too serious and dont compare it to RL, sov holding alliances sadly have lost touch with reality


Not to step on your toes, but in my experience most large null sec sov holders have their heads on pretty straight about keeping things on a "it's just a game" level. It seems to be individuals with an overblown sense of entitilement that take things too personally.

Edit: Had to edit this, I had inadvertantly made a reference to the OP which is ENTIRELY incorrect. Smile

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-07 23:14:51 UTC
EVE is the only game, aside from hardcore role playing, where I've seen so many get so pissed at what other people find fun.
Kate stark
#34 - 2013-02-07 23:26:28 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
but i'm sure you don't want to do that.


truth be told, i'd rather watch a wow pvp video than an eve one. mainly because things are actually happening rather than watching a blob of pink boxes cluster the screen for 15 mins then the video ends after nothing seems to have happened.

however, no, i don't want to watch wow videos.

I hate those. That being said, there are many that give you a really good look at what is going on... you just have to look for them.


and that's still very little.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#35 - 2013-02-07 23:53:38 UTC
You know, I did a short stint as a WOW GM back in 06, and I can't tell you how many people who were getting ganked into oblivion I had to tell 'make some friends and fight back'.

Getting tired of that was why I discovered EVE, I had some co-workers tell me about it and I was hooked because the EVE rules blatantly told you that you needed to HTFU

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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#36 - 2013-02-07 23:57:38 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
or does every MMO suffer from "You shouldn't have more stuff than me because you have more friends" entitlement? I have a feeling it's particular to EVE because of the PVP sandbox, but I haven't played any other MMOs.

I don't get it. Why do some people feel that all content should be available to every player, without effort and without teamwork?


Isn't so.

Something very evaluable in EVE is just the fact that do not offer a vertical gameplay progression, and consequently no unique endgame. Also EVE is not based on "content" in the tradional sense, contents are generated by player interactions.

All this in contrast to other games where, is only a matter of time, everyone have to progress toward the same endgame.

EVE system let you free to pickup your gameplay, set your goald and in case also change them dinamically, or set no goal at all. Only a fraction of EVE players is involved in large numbers organization, it's a matter of preferences; but the game It's always enjoyable in the same way and you can have the same stuff: I think some of the richest player in EVE are industrialist playing mostly in solo or not intersted in being part of large groups

Then, of course, if you're interested in game scenarios based on number of players then "having more friends" (as yous ay) become relevant of course.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-02-08 00:04:36 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

did you just sperg out over wow bullshit and dumb titles

wow is a cooperative game. eve is a competitive game. wanking over who completed the cooperative mode first is dumb and pointless. everyone can do it if they want, but only the strong few with the will to power in eve will have the mightiest space empire

His response was more to the idea that end game content could be achieved without cooperation in WoW, which isn't true. Unlike eve there are more or less specified endgame activities which require cooperation.


wrong.

a friend wouldn't shut up about wow to me so i put a month's gametime on it.
i clicked "join lfr" then went afk, and let 24 other people kill every raid boss for me.

you don't even have to cooperate, know, or talk to the people in wow to experience the endgame content.

Your story contradicts itself in that you still had to have 24 other people doing the instance for you. Also I'd be hard pressed to believe that in eve during several hundred person battles there are no somewhat ineffective (or at times AFK) individuals present.
El Cymech
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-02-08 00:17:26 UTC
It is the same with other MMOs and real life, it's all one big game of "keeping up with the jones family."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2013-02-08 00:47:55 UTC
El Cymech wrote:
It is the same with other MMOs and real life, it's all one big game of "keeping up with the jones family."

Fancy spacecoffins that you'll then never log in to use.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#40 - 2013-02-08 01:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Isn't so.

Something very evaluable in EVE is just the fact that do not offer a vertical gameplay progression, and consequently no unique endgame. Also EVE is not based on "content" in the tradional sense, contents are generated by player interactions.

All this in contrast to other games where, is only a matter of time, everyone have to progress toward the same endgame.

EVE system let you free to pickup your gameplay, set your goald and in case also change them dinamically, or set no goal at all. Only a fraction of EVE players is involved in large numbers organization, it's a matter of preferences; but the game It's always enjoyable in the same way and you can have the same stuff: I think some of the richest player in EVE are industrialist playing mostly in solo or not intersted in being part of large groups

Then, of course, if you're interested in game scenarios based on number of players then "having more friends" (as yous ay) become relevant of course.

Pick one:
1. English isn't my first language.
2. I'm typing on a cellphone.
3. I'm typing too fast.
4. I didn't bother to use a spellchecker.

Any combination of two (or more) of those four options results in a post that is indecipherable by the native English speaker.

E: I say this because I am actually interested in what you have to say. You seem to have a head on your shoulders, even though I don't (think I) agree with you.

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