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Nobutada Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-07 18:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nobutada Mishi
With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas(ninja harvesting clouds without taking aggro from sleepers). Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.
Mister Tuggles
Dickhead Corner
#2 - 2013-02-07 18:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Tuggles
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.


You know it wasn't all that difficult to put warp stabs on a battlecruiser for ninja harvesting before the venture came out. Still isn't. People are just using the crap out of the ship because it is new. Give it a few months. The novelty of using the new ship will wear off, people will get bored with gas mining like always, and prices will go back up.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-07 18:51:37 UTC
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.


Seriously? I expect the nullbear whiners with their Nerf AFK cloaking. Or the highsec bears crying nerf suicide ganking. Or even the high sec PVP'rs whining about NPC corps.

And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it.


I wouldn't have expected one of the alliances listed on the "notable wormhole alliances" to be ones to make a whiny ***** post like this. Grow a pair and go kill some ventures. Plenty of killmails of them on whkills.info so somebody has figured out how.
Phaderift
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2013-02-07 19:03:19 UTC
came in expecting a thread that was complaining about how you can use grid and sleeper ai to harvest the larger clouds in the high end sites with out any sleepers pwning your ship. was not expecting a nerf a venture thread.. also you may want to take a look at tech 3 hull prices and movement before you scream falling prices are the ventures fault :p
Nobutada Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-02-07 19:33:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Nobutada Mishi
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.


Seriously? I expect the nullbear whiners with their Nerf AFK cloaking. Or the highsec bears crying nerf suicide ganking. Or even the high sec PVP'rs whining about NPC corps.

And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it.


I wouldn't have expected one of the alliances listed on the "notable wormhole alliances" to be ones to make a whiny ***** post like this. Grow a pair and go kill some ventures. Plenty of killmails of them on whkills.info so somebody has figured out how.

Apparently you didn't see the part about trying to gank the site runners in shiny T3 ships. And yea, ganking ventures is fun but how much do they cost again? How is bringing up a broken mechanic considered whining? Anyways, on the notable wormhole alliance poke...even if we are outnumbered we always bring the fight. When was the last time you went balls deep. Who are you with again? No, seriously, I've never heard of you.
Nobutada Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-02-07 19:35:28 UTC
Phaderift wrote:
came in expecting a thread that was complaining about how you can use grid and sleeper ai to harvest the larger clouds in the high end sites with out any sleepers pwning your ship. was not expecting a nerf a venture thread.. also you may want to take a look at tech 3 hull prices and movement before you scream falling prices are the ventures fault :p

the thread is about that...was mentioning the venture as well as a side note
Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-07 20:01:12 UTC
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-07 20:14:34 UTC
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.


Seriously? I expect the nullbear whiners with their Nerf AFK cloaking. Or the highsec bears crying nerf suicide ganking. Or even the high sec PVP'rs whining about NPC corps.

And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it.


I wouldn't have expected one of the alliances listed on the "notable wormhole alliances" to be ones to make a whiny ***** post like this. Grow a pair and go kill some ventures. Plenty of killmails of them on whkills.info so somebody has figured out how.

Apparently you didn't see the part about trying to gank the site runners in shiny T3 ships. And yea, ganking ventures is fun but how much do they cost again? How is bringing up a broken mechanic considered whining? Anyways, on the notable wormhole alliance poke...even if we are outnumbered we always bring the fight. When was the last time you went balls deep. Who are with you again? No, seriously, I've never heard of you.


Maybe, as it seems, the mention of ventures simply confused your post. Venture's aren't a broken mechanic. But if there is a way to harvest high end clouds such as Phaderift described, then yes I would agree with you. A broken mechanic such as that should be fixed.

If that is in fact the case, then you simply failed to explain your argument very well (considering all of the replies, including mine assumed you were just pissed about the venture).

If that is the case I humbly apologize for the over the top jabs at your manhood.

And no, I'm nobody. We are just a small but slowly growing WH corp, working towards the eventual goal of playing in the big leagues.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-07 20:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I warned you all about the venture but would you listen?!! XRollSmile

I agree the Venture is too good as a gas miner in WH space and i think CCP made a mistake in its design.

And FYI you can mine in one of the high end gas clouds without the sleepers reacting to the venture.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Nobutada Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-02-07 20:41:14 UTC
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-07 20:51:56 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I warned you all about the venture but would you listen?!! XRollSmile

I agree the Venture is too good as a gas miner in WH space and i think CCP made a mistake in its design.

And FYI you can mine in one of the high end gas clouds without the sleepers reacting to the venture.


Yup, it's actually quite easy to puff gas with sleepers on grid. Only problem with this is that once agroed even once, the sleepers can and will pop you even at 250km range. Then again that's a perfect trap for the would be ganker that warps straight into the cloud, that ends up decloaking him obviously...

That said, it is extremely easy to trap ventures if you really want to.
Nobutada Mishi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-02-07 20:56:26 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
With the venture out (no nerf on the horizon), and gas prices dropping, I don't think it should be easier to harvest gas. Another reason is it takes the risk out of using shiny ships to clear the sleepers....a potential PVP aspect that is getting harder to find.


Seriously? I expect the nullbear whiners with their Nerf AFK cloaking. Or the highsec bears crying nerf suicide ganking. Or even the high sec PVP'rs whining about NPC corps.

And who cares about gas prices? I can make more in 20min running a site than an hour mining gas. Let them have it.


I wouldn't have expected one of the alliances listed on the "notable wormhole alliances" to be ones to make a whiny ***** post like this. Grow a pair and go kill some ventures. Plenty of killmails of them on whkills.info so somebody has figured out how.

Apparently you didn't see the part about trying to gank the site runners in shiny T3 ships. And yea, ganking ventures is fun but how much do they cost again? How is bringing up a broken mechanic considered whining? Anyways, on the notable wormhole alliance poke...even if we are outnumbered we always bring the fight. When was the last time you went balls deep. Who are with you again? No, seriously, I've never heard of you.


Maybe, as it seems, the mention of ventures simply confused your post. Venture's aren't a broken mechanic. But if there is a way to harvest high end clouds such as Phaderift described, then yes I would agree with you. A broken mechanic such as that should be fixed.

If that is in fact the case, then you simply failed to explain your argument very well (considering all of the replies, including mine assumed you were just pissed about the venture).

If that is the case I humbly apologize for the over the top jabs at your manhood.

And no, I'm nobody. We are just a small but slowly growing WH corp, working towards the eventual goal of playing in the big leagues.

no worries, should have explained better...figured everyone knew about it. roll into us and we will give you an even fight
Phaderift
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2013-02-07 21:06:10 UTC
from your initial post and based on the speed of teh venture it really sounded like you were complaining about the ship and not the fact that sleeper AI is bugged. also to the gentleman who said once they agress they are fixed and will pop you at 250km .. that's not accurate there are a couple "reset methods" out there ... that said personally I just clear them as it takes about 10 minutes and is worth 60-80 million isk
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-02-07 21:14:11 UTC
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
no worries, should have explained better...figured everyone knew about it. roll into us and we will give you an even fight


It doesn't have to be even.
Winthorp
#15 - 2013-02-07 21:44:25 UTC
You just need a tengu to solo a C3 site..........

Ohh wait it's one of "these" threads again.

Seriously if you see ventures on dscan and your only answer is to kill them at the site then its you that needs to be nerfed. There is always other options like spooking them to come back to the WH to get exploded or trapping the ventures in the WH to make them mad enough to get their alts to leave POS.

Plenty of options, try thinking of some instead of cry my gas prices have gone down cry.
chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#16 - 2013-02-07 22:01:22 UTC
Nobutada Mishi wrote:
When was the last time you went balls deep. Who are you with again? No, seriously, I've never heard of you.


Lol, forum pubbie is buttmad over gas prices going down. Does not bother to do homework before insulting other people for calling him out on said stupidity.

Conclusion: Dumb pubbie is dumb.
Chester Floyd
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-07 22:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Chester Floyd
Malception wrote:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34509567.jpg

OVER 9000 DEFINITELY!!! SmileBig smileLol coz simple LOL dont even begin to describe it.

On a side note, anyone that looses a venture to Nobutada Mishi or Rek Seven gets a new one from me.LolLolLol
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-02-07 23:42:03 UTC
So what is this broken mechanic you guys talk about? Sleepers don't attack a venture that is already there? At first I assumed the OP was talking about just being unfair that it was posible to huff for 15 min before the sleepers appeared, but it looks like there's something else to it.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-02-07 23:53:40 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
So what is this broken mechanic you guys talk about? Sleepers don't attack a venture that is already there? At first I assumed the OP was talking about just being unfair that it was posible to huff for 15 min before the sleepers appeared, but it looks like there's something else to it.


In core sites (the most valuable ladars) you can create a bookmark at the far end of the larger cloud, so far out that you wont get agroed by the sleepers at all. That's pretty much it, can safely huff that cloud dry and move on to do something else.
Winthorp
#20 - 2013-02-08 01:21:48 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
So what is this broken mechanic you guys talk about? Sleepers don't attack a venture that is already there? At first I assumed the OP was talking about just being unfair that it was posible to huff for 15 min before the sleepers appeared, but it looks like there's something else to it.


In core sites (the most valuable ladars) you can create a bookmark at the far end of the larger cloud, so far out that you wont get agroed by the sleepers at all. That's pretty much it, can safely huff that cloud dry and move on to do something else.


And this has always been the case but before people could offgrid combat scan them down and kill them pretty effectively. The problem now is the venture is a little more trickier to lock down. But all in all people just need to adapt and find better strategies. I hate the run to nerf things argument.
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