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Moons - just when will ccp do anything

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2013-02-07 19:09:46 UTC
who is nat

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2013-02-07 19:17:40 UTC
natsill amusin or somethin, he goodposts here sometimes
you aren't on a first name basis with all 11k goons?
Azazel Zorin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-02-07 19:18:04 UTC
The issue is that new players will have a small chance of ever seeing or being able to participate in null sec content when it pertains to the stuff that is monopolized.
That being said CCP could introduce new mechanics that will limit the amount of monopoly one faction has.
If the problem is severe enough that the game is discouraging to new users and the bottom line starts hurting because of this then CCP will take action.

Like the real world the courts try to break up big monopolies for the same reasons. CCP should introduce some of the same checks and balances.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#104 - 2013-02-07 19:22:02 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
natsill amusin or somethin, he goodposts here sometimes
you aren't on a first name basis with all 11k goons?

apparently not

welp

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2013-02-07 19:22:39 UTC
Azazel Zorin wrote:
The issue is that new players will have a small chance of ever seeing or being able to participate in null sec content when it pertains to the stuff that is monopolized.
That being said CCP could introduce new mechanics that will limit the amount of monopoly one faction has.
If the problem is severe enough that the game is discouraging to new users and the bottom line starts hurting because of this then CCP will take action.

Like the real world the courts try to break up big monopolies for the same reasons. CCP should introduce some of the same checks and balances.

you don't get to start off in the championship league

take some neo moons in the southeast or curse or syndicate and build up to being one of the big boys

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-02-07 19:24:59 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Fey Ivory wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
the ganking will continue until the usage of t2 products improves

then some more of course


Its a sandbox game, your free to do what you want, OP of this thread was upset about the facts of the situation, i dont see it as a problem, i only pointed OP to the realitis of economy... as for following me around and keep blowing my ships, for speaking my mind, i think you should read the Eula, i think there might be a interesting interpretation of that ... in any case its a game, dont take it to serious !, say hi to Nat by the way from me

i have a sneaking suspicion all the other unpersons who were ganked for their badposting tried to petition and failed

so im gonna go with the eula is cool with my ganking


to not derail the topic anyfurther, ill send you a call in game
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#107 - 2013-02-07 19:27:36 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
i only pointed OP to the realitis of economy...

The economy has realitis? Is that some sort of disease?

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#108 - 2013-02-07 19:29:12 UTC
Azazel Zorin wrote:
The issue is that new players will have a small chance of ever seeing or being able to participate in null sec content when it pertains to the stuff that is monopolized.

CCP I WANT MY PERSONAL TECH MOON OR I UNSUB

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Cpt Roghie
Chemical Invasion Co.
#109 - 2013-02-07 19:36:20 UTC
I too wanted a moon once. So I took one. All I needed was 10 dudes. Are you telling me you can't get 10 dudes togheter to get yourself a moon?

This could be fun.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#110 - 2013-02-07 20:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: TigerXtrm
Summary of this entire issue:

A sandbox is no fun when most of the good sand is in one corner of the box, guarded by the school bullies.

Solutions:

1. Make due with the lesser sand, of which there is plenty.
2. Gather a group and kick the bullies asses and take some of the good sand. Enjoy it before they come and take it back.
3. Cry to the teachers about how the sandbox is unfair until they change the rules for the sandbox.

Until the rules are changed, get busy doing either 1 or 2. We already had more than enough of 3.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#111 - 2013-02-07 20:48:41 UTC
the fact that nobody can manage to take on an alliance that managed to completely self-destruct for absolutely no reason just because it was that bad at eve is hilarious

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-02-07 21:04:29 UTC
I'm curious. How do these alliances divy up the proceeds from moon goo anyways?

Does it go into a pot which is handed out to all alliance members equally?

Does it all go to a single person or corporation?

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2013-02-07 21:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Most forms of alliance-level income are put into a pot and used to pay for sov bills first, then second used to reimburse ships lost on pursuing alliance objectives (some don't do this but its more or less the norm these days). Usually yeah it all goes to a handful of guys to manage these large sums of isk so making sure it doesn't go to someone with stealing in mind is important.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2013-02-07 21:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I'm curious. How do these alliances divy up the proceeds from moon goo anyways?

Does it go into a pot which is handed out to all alliance members equally?

Does it all go to a single person or corporation?

all the money gets spent on alliance expenses: sov bills, pvp reimbursement, building or subsidizing supercaps, buying an entirely new cap fleet because your fc welped 80 caps and 8 supercaps, and being put in a pile to pay for the next big welp, buying fuel for towers, importing new ships, rewarding people for various things like making the newbie guide or the like

when we have too much money, we do things like pay half of empire to murder the other half or blow up every jita freighter we can find

generally speaking it is not ok for the heads of the alliance to just pocket it but this has been known to happen: goonswarm, pl, and test keep their finances open so our members can tell we aren't (and so will be enthusiastic to get us more money because it goes back to the alliance rather than weaselior's blow fund)

if you divvied up all of our income even at our peak it'd be something small like 50m per character per month

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Kate stark
#115 - 2013-02-07 21:19:14 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
50m per character per month


and floods of tears from people with less accounts than marvin the multiboxer who has 40 accounts.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-02-07 21:22:11 UTC
I spent alliance money on T2 large bubbles once.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2013-02-07 21:47:33 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:

The fact that CCP hasn't changed it after many years of complaint can only mean one thing: They want it this way. I can see why. It facilitates the big fights, the big ships and promotes the ingame RMT trade......as well as the out of game RMT trade but, noone really talks about that. And I dare say that the majority of CCP's RMT income comes from people in null. So then, why would CCP change it?

rmt is funded by bots and 4 of every 5 bots is in empire

that's a cold hard fact straight from CCP, the forge alone has more bots than all of 0.0 put together


First, I never said anything about bots. My comment was pointed towards people who'd rather pew than farm, hence they're more willing to whip out a CC when they need something.

Second, as for the facts...please, show me these. Last I saw of the facts is we got nice statistics stating that the majority of bot's expunged from the game were indeed from HS. Of course, it doesn't really tell you any more than that, does it, like focus or convenient and selective enforcement?

Don't ban me, bro!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2013-02-07 22:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Weaselior can you prove that this is all not a giant goonspiracy reaching to the highest levels of CCP, having developers risk their careers to surreptiously influence the outcome of a video game?

Hiseccers are a scrupulous and moral lot known for their deep concern for the rest of the EVE community, the charge that the majority of RMT and botters are sourced there is quite serious.

Quote:
Unholy Rage devblog]

Load issues for certain solar systems that were hubs for RMT activity have also dramatically altered. Anyone who has travelled to Ingunn in the past can testify that this particular solar system was well clogged up with haulers and shuttles running missions pretty much 23/7. Here's a little graph showing the population in Ingunn before and after June 22nd

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/blogs/UnholyRage_Ingunn_t.jpg
One might take Grimmi's use of the word "hubs for RMT Activity" followed by a graph of botters in Ingunn being mass banned to be some sort of correlation. But if you read carefully, you'll notice they're in two adjacent but seperate sentences. Totally unrelated, and it's up to you to prove otherwise.
Azazel Zorin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2013-02-07 22:31:48 UTC
My theory why CCP is not introducing mechanics to limit the current null sec monopoly is probably due to the fact that some of the large amount Isk generated is being converted to Plex. This plex then becomes available for real money via ETC.

CCP makes money by selling ETC Big smile

CCP is better off leaving the monopoly in place because it enables fewer players to provide a steady supply of Isk to be converted to plex-ETC-real cash.

In a sense players that pay real cash also subsidize both Null Sec players that dont pay but control the isk printing machine and pay CCP by playing cash for ETC.

It is also entirely within the realm of possibility that big time players who are involved have an agreement with CCP in providing such services.

You will see the ADs for ETC on their websites Roll
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-02-07 22:36:00 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Ingunn


let's pretend that that's a system in deklein so that hiseccers continue to believe that everyone else in empire is too honourable to bot or RMT

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