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Moons - just when will ccp do anything

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#81 - 2013-02-07 17:42:53 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Risk free pvp ftw?


Tell us more about the pvp involved in taking and holding moons

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#82 - 2013-02-07 17:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Beekeeper Bob
No More Heroes wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Risk free pvp ftw?


Tell us more about the pvp involved in taking and holding moons



I normally don't waste time explaining things to drones, but I'll make an exception.

Income > any possible losses you could incur == risk free pvp.

I simplified it for you as much as possible, hope that helps.....Cool




Oh and...lol at Goons paying 15% to their masters, when they are already wading in isk from the moons....

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Kate stark
#83 - 2013-02-07 17:57:25 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Risk free pvp ftw?


Tell us more about the pvp involved in taking and holding moons



I normally don't waste time explaining things to drones, but I'll make an exception.

Income > any possible losses you could incur == risk free pvp.

I simplified it for you as much as possible, hope that helps.....Cool






but, if you're fighting to take the moon, you don't have the moon (or it's income) to make the pvp risk free....

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Spurty
#84 - 2013-02-07 17:59:36 UTC
Kate stark wrote:

but, if you're fighting to take the moon, you don't have the moon (or it's income) to make the pvp risk free....


No one here wants to see your logic bombs go off.


There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Kate stark
#85 - 2013-02-07 18:01:14 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Kate stark wrote:

but, if you're fighting to take the moon, you don't have the moon (or it's income) to make the pvp risk free....


No one here wants to see your logic bombs go off.




oh, sorry. my bad.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2013-02-07 18:01:32 UTC
we lost over 500b in one battle alone

that's a hundred tech moons worth of income for a month

regrettably one of the many things bob has already lost in his mind's slow slide into the black abyss is math

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#87 - 2013-02-07 18:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: No More Heroes
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Income > any possible losses you could incur == risk free pvp


I think you underestimate the sheer volume of ships we lose in hilarious ways. I suppose a tax rate might matter to folks who cared about things like ratting and isk/hr

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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#88 - 2013-02-07 18:17:28 UTC
CCP will not cut off the hands that feed them. Most subs will come from the vets and their many alts that live and fight in nullsec. This is their bread and butter, therefore they give them what they want.

Nullsec wouldnt survive without the massive fights and content, and this cant be provided unless there is a massive stream of income. For example if you have 500 v 500 and they both lost 300 ships, without isk to replace such massive losses no one would fight again for months. Not very exciting is it?

However i do think massive income should be available just may not this easy, these are massive coalitions, so surely they can stump up 50/100 miners everyday? or everything should be based on alchemy. What happened to back in the day when mining ABC ores was the money spinner Big smile

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-02-07 18:19:43 UTC
OP...

As a fairly newblet in Eve, i just love this game, and its just full of suprices and the whole economic system is beurifull... this said, im a carebear, im in CAS, and i take my time in high sec to learn things as mine, skill and socialice and learn from the experienced people in CAS... now for the problem of the big four, the issue you point to, is in itself its weakness, okay they take ower all moongoo, and control it making it valuable, well, since you cant compete in null, dont use T2 things, make others stop buying anything conected with T2 things, since you cant compete in null, so why compete at all, use the cheap T1 stuff, and let them sit on ALL their moongoo, if they cant sell it... its wourth nothing Blink, beside you can get faction gear wich is better then T2
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#90 - 2013-02-07 18:25:59 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
OP...

As a fairly newblet in Eve, i just love this game, and its just full of suprices and the whole economic system is beurifull... this said, im a carebear, im in CAS, and i take my time in high sec to learn things as mine, skill and socialice and learn from the experienced people in CAS... now for the problem of the big four, the issue you point to, is in itself its weakness, okay they take ower all moongoo, and control it making it valuable, well, since you cant compete in null, dont use T2 things, make others stop buying anything conected with T2 things, since you cant compete in null, so why compete at all, use the cheap T1 stuff, and let them sit on ALL their moongoo, if they cant sell it... its wourth nothing Blink, beside you can get faction gear wich is better then T2



highsec nobodies cowering in their npc corps aint exactly a big market for us i think we can afford to lose it

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#91 - 2013-02-07 18:26:36 UTC
oh no you didn't use a t2 mod that one time we have lost literally thousands of isk

then you bought a hulk lawl

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2013-02-07 18:47:08 UTC
gonna buy ORE miners for my T1 barge
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-02-07 18:48:34 UTC
i use a retriver, works great for me... as a personal choise i can choose to fly cheap, only use T1 and faction things, its a choise... and yes, i by myself is a insignificant factor, a nobody, but fact remains, if more choose to not use T2 things, moongoo, will be practically wourthless... its the power of a player driven economy, we dont need moongoo to play Eve, but you need Trit, wich is mined in highsec, everything needs Trit...

And though all your mighty titans and ships, the moment people stop using moongoo based tech, you cant force the economy thats based on T1 things, wich suddenly is soly based on T1 things, or faction things...
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#94 - 2013-02-07 18:51:42 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
i use a retriver, works great for me... as a personal choise i can choose to fly cheap, only use T1 and faction things, its a choise... and yes, i by myself is a insignificant factor, a nobody, but fact remains, if more choose to not use T2 things, moongoo, will be practically wourthless... its the power of a player driven economy, we dont need moongoo to play Eve, but you need Trit, wich is mined in highsec, everything needs Trit...

And though all your mighty titans and ships, the moment people stop using moongoo based tech, you cant force the economy thats based on T1 things, wich suddenly is soly based on T1 things, or faction things...

gonna locate you, gank your retriever with a t1 catalyst, and take your faction mods

this gonna be fun

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2013-02-07 18:52:23 UTC
the ganking will continue until the usage of t2 products improves

then some more of course

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#96 - 2013-02-07 18:56:12 UTC
If we swapped out Neodymium for Technetium, this thread would be locked for being redundant.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kestrix
The Whispering
#97 - 2013-02-07 18:58:32 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You should make a power bloc and take it from them.


Make a power block and start knocking the POS's into reinforced at random leaving their owners to rep them up all the time... much more fun imo
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#98 - 2013-02-07 18:59:00 UTC
My God, it's full of tears!

The Tears Must Flow
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-02-07 19:05:16 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
the ganking will continue until the usage of t2 products improves

then some more of course


Its a sandbox game, your free to do what you want, OP of this thread was upset about the facts of the situation, i dont see it as a problem, i only pointed OP to the realitis of economy... as for following me around and keep blowing my ships, for speaking my mind, i think you should read the Eula, i think there might be a interesting interpretation of that ... in any case its a game, dont take it to serious !, say hi to Nat by the way from me
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2013-02-07 19:09:19 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
the ganking will continue until the usage of t2 products improves

then some more of course


Its a sandbox game, your free to do what you want, OP of this thread was upset about the facts of the situation, i dont see it as a problem, i only pointed OP to the realitis of economy... as for following me around and keep blowing my ships, for speaking my mind, i think you should read the Eula, i think there might be a interesting interpretation of that ... in any case its a game, dont take it to serious !, say hi to Nat by the way from me

i have a sneaking suspicion all the other unpersons who were ganked for their badposting tried to petition and failed

so im gonna go with the eula is cool with my ganking

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.