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As usual I totally love your posts, please create more!


I find there are 2 issues with this.

1) The MD Elite concept aka "honor system" worked for a while until somebody started gaming it to their less than noble ends.
I have no answer to how to avoid this phenomenon, sooner or latter the rotten apple starts smelling and - eventually - spreads the rot.

2) Jerry can't really "enter" into such subtleties, look at the thread title. In a MMORPG game he (and he's hardly alone) taunts those who actually roleplay. To him they are not even worth being called Investors but roleplay "investors". It's almost a similar writing but miles distant.
So what happens is that he stays solidly anchored to the quite stolid and sordid basic EvE theme of "never trust anybody, they are out to take you" and keeps repeating it year after year, like a mantra.

While there are a number of guys who - while well aware of the EvE basic theme themselves - try and construct a fleeble but fun meta game and enjoy it. Raw23 statistics show that scams indeed happen but are a minority, they are a price well affordable by those who invest what they can afford to lose. The others? They'd lose all they have at the first opportunity even with somebody calling out the wolf every day.

Example of the two philosophies: VAERT.
I started the charity fund because of these factors:

1) Because EvE is the first game able to redeem its currency to do good to RL people who need it.
2) Because I am super-contrarian by nature, therefore if everybody say it's impossible then I do it and slam it in their face.
3) Because if everybody say EvE is cold and harsh and everyone are your enemy then I want to prove it can be nice and helpful and altruistic.

One looking at it with another eye will see:

1) Because VV wants to setup the next newsworthy scam (even at the cost of being super banned).
2) Because VV wants to show off whatever.
3) Because VV grinds rep.


One is me and probably you, Vera / Mme another is the typical EvE denizen with no positivity, no constructivity, no sense of "going beyond the hard coded limits" or "breaking the wall".

Now, going on a tangent, imo this attitude also applies and affects RL. Visionaries become a Steve Jobs, realists become an Angela Merkel. And the world shapes high or low (called "realistic") to their visions.

That's what I call "EVE effect".
When people want to say something useful, they say opposite and let you figure out if it was serious or not. Goon style exactly and leaves a room to bail out in case of something going wrong.
About 70 years ago in continental Europe you'd get shot in the head for this. Some countries still keeping up this practice actually ;)

EDIT: I'm not supporting offline violence by the way.

I am glad someone bought up Hexx.

The template turned out to be the only meaningful contribution he made to MD. The fact was with that template it made it easier to scam.
It was the road map to launching a bond (or scam) and gave it legitimacy.


Hexx then tried to run a bank and lost somewhere between 500-2000B ISK.

He then spent 2 years trying to develop a 3rd party insurance for ships, which failed horribly after a couple of months.
How could he not realise his name was dead on the forum and people wouldn't trust him, or his product.

He tried to develop software linking API to his 'model database'. It was designed for Hulks only at first.
I think he spent hundereds of hours in development.

Did a public test and then launched, and promptly failed to get any business. Then he emo-quit, when he realised that he failed.

Interesting. :-) Thanks for reply

I never kept it secret that Shar has been an example for me to try and follow and I really miss his posts and EvE-mails.
I have to admit that I have failed a number of times to keep up to his standards, but that's what models are for: to try and come as close as possible even if it's hard or impossible to succeed.

for a gimmick account, you're catching on pretty quick.

the OP can be read 2 ways, you can use it to scam, or you can use it to go legit (there are some legit guys running these things too), the path's are the same. you can probably skip the vv stuff if you wanted to go legit, but you will still need to get some form of audit/check on your api by someone in MD, offering the service, if you have the trading history, don't post like a ****** you'll do fine.

its up to the person running the bond to scam, after all.

in the OP, in article 4, change the word 'scam' to the word 'Bond', and the title of the thread to "how to make a modern day MD bond, without being trolled" do you think people would accept it coming from me? .. no.

p clever to figure that out tbh.

not really i just responded to you first, im trying to respond to the others as we speak, may take a few hours though.

I touched up what you said a bit, i hope you don't mind.

No it's because you're an irritating **** basically .I'm sorry some people are just not likable for me , you are one of those.