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Arek'Jaalan and the "Sleeper/Talocan Mystery"
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Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#1 - 2013-02-07 08:40:24 UTC
Back in 2011.05.03, Ellis Croix said (reflecting the opinion of some faction of the eve forum community),
Ellis Croix wrote:
I don't feel that any real confirmation is forthcoming. Why? Because Tony Gonzales has a new EVE novel in the pipeline, called Templar One. He has flat out stated that it will have answers to the "Sleeper mystery". I doubt any storyline development will occur until this novel is published. Regardless of how brilliant -or not- these theories are, they could just as easily become null after the novel comes out.

Others said similar things, like "The devs don't want to answer the mystery, because, then, it wouldn't be a mystery... they need a carrot to string us along and they've got no reason to stop doing so."

Given the general lack of development of many of w-space's 'dangling plot threads' over the past year, I present a quote from Steven Moffat, head writer for Doctor Who:

  • 'One of the dangers of a reveal... one of the dangers of, you know, of whipping the cover off secret is, you... you just got an answer. You said, "Well, well that's what it is. Was it.. Is it door one, two, or three? Well it's door two. Okay good, story over." You have to have a reveal, you have to have an answer, that is as complicated as the question. You have to actually say, "Oh, now that that's the case, we're in even more trouble." So the answer is as good as the question and as troubling as the question. And it's not final. You don't actually want to end the story that would be bad.' -Steven Moffat, from Doctor Who Confidential -- The Born Identity (7 min 28 sec in)


I say to you dev writers Dear God, please listen to Moffat on this one.

P.S.
Great work so far: more pls.... And *checks watch* sooner than "Soon™" pls.
Tykari
The Observatory
#2 - 2013-02-07 11:22:42 UTC
In a way they did do that in Templar One for the Sleepers. Sure we got quite a lot of history on the Jove and the Sleepers but now we also know we are in more trouble. The Sleeper civilisation is still alive and we're basicly comitting genocide when raiding their facilities and such and chances are that sooner or later they might come and return the favour. With what is going in their VR world there is no telling how aware they are of us and that we don't really know what we're doing.

Also the Other isn't alone, there are more like him in the VR world all of which could find a way to escape like he did and cause a lot of trouble, which I think was his intent with the DUST soldiers. Hell these virtual born entities might highjack the Sleepers own bodies if they haven't already. I seem to recall a scene where humanoid creatures attacked the Amarr team that was retrieving Sleepers in order to harvest their implants.

The Talocan are a entirely different story. But even there I see quite a few options of how they can take the story and make it interesting even if they reveal things about them.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#3 - 2013-02-07 16:17:47 UTC
I'm not sure I'm sufficiently demystified: what with the lack of sleeper retaliation....

"Oh noes! The sleepers are awake..." *crickets*.... *bird song*.... *sunshine*.... *cool breeze*.... *PoS shields sitting at 100%*... "Oh noes?"

I know, I know, what can the writers do about a lack of game content to back them up?... Maybe that's the question that needs answering...

But make sure the answer is as big as the question... You don't actually want to end the story: that would be bad...
Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2013-02-07 16:59:39 UTC
Faulx wrote:
I'm not sure I'm sufficiently demystified: what with the lack of sleeper retaliation....

"Oh noes! The sleepers are awake..." *crickets*.... *bird song*.... *sunshine*.... *cool breeze*.... *PoS shields sitting at 100%*... "Oh noes?"

I know, I know, what can the writers do about a lack of game content to back them up?... Maybe that's the question that needs answering...

But make sure the answer is as big as the question... You don't actually want to end the story: that would be bad...


We enter w-space through wormholes in k-space...why can't the sleepers enter k-space from wormholes in w-space for a little "harvesting" against a station?

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Malception
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-07 17:15:01 UTC
Your question is predicated on the idea that the sleepers cannot traverse wormholes. The real question is why they don't rather than why they can't.

I don't remember exactly why they went into the VR world to begin with, but I think I remember it being spelled out pretty clearly at the end of Templar One. I would assume that the reason they went in is at least part of what keeps them there and the drones that guard their facilities are just dumb drones with not actual Sleeper consciousness inside.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-02-08 10:36:41 UTC
Malception wrote:

I don't remember exactly why they went into the VR world to begin with, but I think I remember it being spelled out pretty clearly at the end of Templar One. I would assume that the reason they went in is at least part of what keeps them there and the drones that guard their facilities are just dumb drones with not actual Sleeper consciousness inside.


The jove disease. It cannot get them inside their VR.
Ethan Bellator
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-02-17 00:13:53 UTC
Wasn't the Awakened Infomorph something to do with the Sleepers? I haven't read Templar One quite yet (funds lacking at current), but from what I remember the Awakened Infomorph was never a resolved issue.

Or has it been resolved since?
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#8 - 2013-02-17 00:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
Try your local library. Also... donno. Good question.

P.S. Here's an idea... PLEX for novels.
Tykari
The Observatory
#9 - 2013-02-17 00:57:38 UTC
Ethan Bellator wrote:
Wasn't the Awakened Infomorph something to do with the Sleepers? I haven't read Templar One quite yet (funds lacking at current), but from what I remember the Awakened Infomorph was never a resolved issue.

Or has it been resolved since?


I dare say a lot of the Sleeper/Talocan/Arek'Jaalan stuff hasn't been resolved yet at all.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.
Ethan Bellator
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-02-17 01:03:36 UTC
Faulx wrote:
Try your local library. Also... donno. Good question.

P.S. Here's an idea... PLEX for novels.


You can do that? That is good to know. Thanks for the heads-up.

Tykari wrote:
I dare say a lot of the Sleeper/Talocan/Arek'Jaalan stuff hasn't been resolved yet at all.


That's kind of concerning. I remember the Infomorph causing some havoc - albeit most of what I remember is anecdotal but still it's a very interesting plot-point.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#11 - 2013-02-17 02:40:16 UTC
Ethan Bellator wrote:
I remember the Infomorph causing some havoc - albeit most of what I remember is anecdotal but still it's a very interesting plot-point.


Returning from an unanticipated absence, I was rather hoping something came of the Awakened Infomorph, myself. It did cause quite a stir at the time. But as pointed out above, there does always have to be something on the horizon. For the time being, I look forward to those "interesting times" that might arise from recent developments with the Cluster's most primitive savages. It can't all be sweetness and light, now, can it? Perhaps not coincidentally, those same savages have the strongest archaeological connection to the Sleeper civilization....