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Anyone know any literary agents personally?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#41 - 2013-02-06 21:20:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
silens vesica wrote:
Provence Tristram wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
silens vesica wrote:

Stephen King brings publishers $$. So they promote teh hell out of his work. Which raises his profile and brings in even more $$. Meanwhile, Salmon Rushdie barely gets read.


....nor the amazing Umberto Eco.

Skip "The Name of the Rose" (the movie suffices in this case)


I do believe they forced us to watch that way back when I was in undergrad. Does it take place in a castle?
It did. Blink

Movies generally fail to do justice to literary works becaus ethe media are so different. Take, for instance, Arturo Pérez-Reverte's The Club Dumas and compare it to "The Ninth Gate." Almost not even recognizable as related.
Now, unlike many, I actually like the movie; mostly beacuse it's deliberately low-key, and I like that a movie can be made low-key and still tell a story, but it's just not the same as the book.

Of course, most movies don't even attempt to stay close to the literary source. And so long as you're expecting that, it's OK. Usually.


Yes, parts of the novel "The Name of the Rose" are just lists of seemingly random information.....not much cinematic there at all. I'm amazed they got a movie out of it.


Also, not to press the point, but it is NOT a castle: "Franciscan friar William of Baskerville (EDIT: Gotta love the Sherlock Holmes reference) and his novice Adso of Melk travel to a Benedictine monastery in Northern Italy "

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#42 - 2013-02-06 21:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Also, not to press the point, but it is NOT a castle: "Franciscan friar William of Baskerville and his novice Adso of Melk travel to a Benedictine monastery in Northern Italy "

From a functional point of view, that's a distinction with little difference. Many monastaries were better fortified than most castles. P

Now, what's going on inside is somewhat different, but again, not so much as you'd think. Medieval Monks were notorious intriguers and often horribly corrupt. Many monastaries didn't work their own lands, but rented them to peasants, and many were every bit as bad a landlord as any noble.

Hell, even the Carmelite Sisters had fortified convents.

Edit:
Observe:
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=fortified+monastery&safe=images&sa=X&oi=image_result_group

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2013-02-06 21:37:58 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Also, not to press the point, but it is NOT a castle: "Franciscan friar William of Baskerville and his novice Adso of Melk travel to a Benedictine monastery in Northern Italy "

From a functional point of view, that's a distinction with little difference. Many monastaries were better fortified than most castles. P

Now, what's going on inside is somewhat different, but again, not so much as you'd think. Medieval Monks were notorious intriguers and often horribly corrupt. Many monastaries didn't work their own lands, but rented them to peasants, and many were every bit as bad a landlord as any noble.

Hell, even the Carmelite Sisters had fortified convents.

Edit:
Observe:
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=fortified+monastery&safe=images&sa=X&oi=image_result_group


All very true. I'm just being overly technical.

Gotta love Sean Connery's early 'eyeglasses' in the film though Big smile

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#44 - 2013-02-06 21:39:12 UTC
Yup.
Smile

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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#45 - 2013-02-06 21:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Interesting viewpoints on literary works, I feel obliged to barge in with LatinAmerican writing (and no, not Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Nobel Laureate) but more with the work of less known and localized authors that explore issues that resonate more with latinamerican culture.

Even down here, Harry Potter was a hit amongst the angst ridden "teens" that belonged to a certain socio-economical niche.

But works that resonate with Liberation Theologies, Revolution, Inequality, Poorly distributed wealth and Drug Lords or Local Mob/Maffia bosses that somehow elevate themselves from the bottom are quite a hit. There´s a wonderful story, which is almost an accurate biography called "La Reina del Sur" by Arturo Perez Reverte, that portrayed the real life story of a Drug Lord that was ... well , female.

Being able to read both in Spanish and English I have found Latinamerican works vastly different, more straight to the point, as subjective as that can be, but there is no better way to express it.

On my hand, and going to another continent, I think the USA/Latinamerican market is missing much by not having full legal access to the whole of Sapkowski´s works, in the Witcher Saga, I devoured the whole saga so far in about 2+ weeks reading, 7 books in a row. Just loved it.

Back to Latinamerica, Erotic stories and murder mysteries involving personalities of note are just superb.

I recommend "La fiesta del Chivo" by Mario Vargas Llosa (a literary monster here, big and simply flawless) , just awesome.

Ed: to make this more Latinamerican, Vargas Llosa punched longtime friend Gabriel Garcia Marquez once leaving him black eyed and ending the friendship XD , I just love passion both inside the literary works and out of it haha.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#46 - 2013-02-06 22:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Interesting, and an avenue I think I will be pursuing.

'Norte' erotic writing tends to be dominated by horrible writers. I personally know some published errotica writers, and I want to smack them every time they mention their books, because they sucked. And by 'sucked" im mean "in no way which may be described as 'pleasurable.'" Not even by the BDSM community.

There are a few which are not absolutely horrible, but if you read one Anita Blake story, you've read 'em all. And the Kushiel's Dart series quickly grows tedious. Don't get me started on Anne Rice.

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Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#47 - 2013-02-07 16:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dorian Tormak
Anyone who doesn't like King has to read The Gunslinger.

I tried reading "Anathem" a while back but couldn't get into it, I was fairly young at the time though so I couldn't really understand it and I just got bored and uninterested right away.

Also what exactly is wrong with self-publishing? Just get your stuff out there, if it is liked it will be read.

I don't think there's anything wrong with literature today, or the market, it's just the people that are ******.

Whatever tho, I'm just a noob :p

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#48 - 2013-02-07 18:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Dorian Tormak wrote:
Anyone who doesn't like King has to read The Gunslinger.


I've read The Dark Tower books. Very nearly his best work, but even then he drags things out more than ought to be. Frankly, my favorite of his work is the one he wrote for his child: The Eyes of the Dragon.


Dorian Tormak wrote:

Also what exactly is wrong with self-publishing? Just get your stuff out there, if it is liked it will be read.

There are several problems.
First, thanks to the arcane nature of copyright laws, and industry practices, if you self-publish a book, you can pretty much kiss goodbye any chance of having a major publisher look at it. Ever.
Second, it has a bad stigma in the community: Any dork who can pay a fee can get anything published, which means there is a very high noise-to-signal ratio in the self-publishing world. Thus, it gets little respect.
Third, the majority of self-publishing sites are basic scams, preying on the ego of wannabees (which feeds in to #2, above),
Last, self-publishing means forgoing the support of a professional editor - or will have to hire one out of your own pocket. Say what you will about editors, they've saved vastly more books and stories than they've doomed.

Think about Heinlein in his later years, when he had the power to steam-roll editors: He'd go off on infuriating digressions for scores of pages and expect the readers to lap up that crap like it was prime cream instead of the product of mental dysentery. Or Robert Jordan, who could never write a convincing female storyline, yet insisded on writing thousands of paragraphs on that very subject. Or Dave Eddings, or... You get my point. An author with sole creative control might produce The Count of Monte Cristo, or he might produce... The Eye of Argon. Mostly 'Argon' though, I'm afraid.

There *are* good authors, some very good authors, who self-publish and produce quality product and actually can make a living at it. Their numbers are few. So it's a dangerous, maybe suicidal, route to go for a new-but-serious author.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#49 - 2013-02-07 19:47:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Dorian Tormak wrote:
Anyone who doesn't like King has to read The Gunslinger.


Read that in elementary school. It's easily his best stuff, and no one was more hyped about the series than i was. But everything after Wizard and Glass is awful. Completely ruined it for me.

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Jeyson Vicious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-02-20 02:49:22 UTC
BTW. From George R.R. Martin's web site FAQ:

Given the realities of today's market in science fiction and fantasy, I would also suggest that any aspiring writer begin with short stories. These days, I meet far too many young writers who try to start off with a novel right off, or a trilogy, or even a nine-book series. That's like starting in at rock climbing by tackling Mt. Everest. Short stories help you learn your craft. They are a good place for you to make the mistakes that every beginning writer is going to make. And they are still the best way for a young writer to break in, since the magazines are always hungry for short SF and fantasy stories. Once you've been selling short stories for five years or so, you'll have built up a name for yourself, and editors will start asking you about that first novel.
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