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MainDrain
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-25 15:51:27 UTC
I have 3 toons, all 3 are able to fly macks (and hulks too but too paper thing) and one character able to fly a hulk with t2 links and the mining forman mindlink implant (well week away and i own the implant)

What is my best option at the moment

3 x macks in a belt

or

2 x mack and 1 x orca

Would rather actual figures if someone has them
Argentaria
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-01-25 16:05:03 UTC
Dave Stark
#3 - 2013-01-25 16:08:19 UTC
Argentaria wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2499922#post2499922


searching, it's hard.

this same thing is asked almost daily. also the maths for it isn't difficult either.
Thelodas
MoG Republic
#4 - 2013-01-25 16:31:42 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Argentaria wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2499922#post2499922


searching, it's hard.

this same thing is asked almost daily. also the maths for it isn't difficult either.



We are all guilty of it :P

also OP check this out.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=8074

And this

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63663
Dave Stark
#5 - 2013-01-25 17:23:51 UTC
Thelodas wrote:
We are all guilty of it :P


speak for yourself. in none of the games i have played, have i ever made a forum post asking about basic game mechanics.
MainDrain
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-25 20:53:24 UTC
Couldnt search as i was on my phone on the bus wondering! normally i do get off my arse and check these things out.

with the involvement of the mining mindlink i wasnt considering it basic mechanics any more, stacking of leadership skills, levels of boosts from orca and implants made it an interesting decision for me to make

Cheers for responses though
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#7 - 2013-01-26 17:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
its this thread again.

3 mining ships + orca are better then 4 mining ships

2 mining ships plus orca are worse then 3 mining ships.

P.S.
by the time you get to 3 mining ships and an orca, switch to Hulk for highsec and Skiff for low/null
Dave Stark
#8 - 2013-01-26 18:28:58 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
its this thread again.

3 mining ships + orca are better then 4 mining ships

2 mining ships plus orca are worse then 3 mining ships.

P.S.
by the time you get to 3 mining ships and an orca, switch to Hulk for highsec and Skiff for low/null


what is it with you and advocating using terrible ships for a job done far more efficiently by a superior ship?

also, two ships + orca is better than 3 ships, do the maths. if you did, do it again because you got it wrong.

infact, once again your post contains dreadful advice, because this time it's just wrong rather than bad.
Sarkin Vol
ALEHEADS
#9 - 2013-02-07 15:31:24 UTC
MainDrain wrote:
Couldnt search as i was on my phone on the bus wondering! normally i do get off my arse and check these things out.

with the involvement of the mining mindlink i wasnt considering it basic mechanics any more, stacking of leadership skills, levels of boosts from orca and implants made it an interesting decision for me to make

Cheers for responses though



2 miners and orca with boosts is always better than 3 unboosted miners.

and if you have the ability to have the mining foreman implant then it just becomes even more efficient

dont have exact numbers atm im at work but ill look on my bookmarks at home and send you a link to the figures
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-02-07 15:39:00 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
its this thread again.

3 mining ships + orca are better then 4 mining ships

2 mining ships plus orca are worse then 3 mining ships.

P.S.
by the time you get to 3 mining ships and an orca, switch to Hulk for highsec and Skiff for low/null


what is it with you and advocating using terrible ships for a job done far more efficiently by a superior ship?

also, two ships + orca is better than 3 ships, do the maths. if you did, do it again because you got it wrong.

infact, once again your post contains dreadful advice, because this time it's just wrong rather than bad.


meh, that's what you get when you ask others to do your research for you. personally, if i was about to drop a mining mindlink into a toon, i'd rather to do the maths myself than ask random internet posters what i should do. but to each their own...
Kate stark
#11 - 2013-02-07 15:50:33 UTC
Sarkin Vol wrote:
MainDrain wrote:
Couldnt search as i was on my phone on the bus wondering! normally i do get off my arse and check these things out.

with the involvement of the mining mindlink i wasnt considering it basic mechanics any more, stacking of leadership skills, levels of boosts from orca and implants made it an interesting decision for me to make

Cheers for responses though



2 miners and orca with boosts is always better than 3 unboosted miners.

and if you have the ability to have the mining foreman implant then it just becomes even more efficient

dont have exact numbers atm im at work but ill look on my bookmarks at home and send you a link to the figures


actually, the mining foreman link is required for 2+orca > 3 to be true.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-02-08 00:00:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
MainDrain wrote:
I have 3 toons, all 3 are able to fly macks (and hulks too but too paper thing) and one character able to fly a hulk with t2 links and the mining forman mindlink implant (well week away and i own the implant)

What is my best option at the moment

3 x macks in a belt

or

2 x mack and 1 x orca

Would rather actual figures if someone has them


Quick answer? 2 x Hulk + 1 Orca.


EDIT: I don't have figures for you, but I usually use 2 x Hulk + 2 x Orca. One as a hauler.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#13 - 2013-02-08 03:15:24 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
MainDrain wrote:
I have 3 toons, all 3 are able to fly macks (and hulks too but too paper thing) and one character able to fly a hulk with t2 links and the mining forman mindlink implant (well week away and i own the implant)

What is my best option at the moment

3 x macks in a belt

or

2 x mack and 1 x orca

Would rather actual figures if someone has them


Quick answer? 2 x Hulk + 1 Orca.


EDIT: I don't have figures for you, but I usually use 2 x Hulk + 2 x Orca. One as a hauler.


I don't see the need for a hauler. If you are using a Orca 2 hulks are the way too go since you don't have the need for a larger cargo hold. Park the Orca within 2500m of both ship forget using a tractor beam, and use that slot instead for a siege warfare link. Boost your mining output while boosting your shields. Perfect. Mackinaws are more for solo mining not for your own personal mining op. When the Orca fills up run it back to the station, and keep the Hulks in the belt mining. The Hulk excellent yield comes at a cost in the form of less EHP, but paying for itself in a week more than makes up for. No. 1 rule about mining for me is to not mine in system with more than 15 active pilots. As for not getting ganked don't mine AFK. One you're wasting your time. Two I am tempted to gank you myself because you deserve it.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Kate stark
#14 - 2013-02-08 10:39:49 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
but I usually use 2 x Hulk + 2 x Orca. One as a hauler.


terrible advice, to be blunt.

you're losing more ore/hour having a second orca idle doing nothing than you would from a single orca dropping bonuses to unload a full cargo.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-02-08 22:06:38 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
MainDrain wrote:
I have 3 toons, all 3 are able to fly macks (and hulks too but too paper thing) and one character able to fly a hulk with t2 links and the mining forman mindlink implant (well week away and i own the implant)

What is my best option at the moment

3 x macks in a belt

or

2 x mack and 1 x orca

Would rather actual figures if someone has them


Quick answer? 2 x Hulk + 1 Orca.


EDIT: I don't have figures for you, but I usually use 2 x Hulk + 2 x Orca. One as a hauler.


I don't see the need for a hauler. If you are using a Orca 2 hulks are the way too go since you don't have the need for a larger cargo hold. Park the Orca within 2500m of both ship forget using a tractor beam, and use that slot instead for a siege warfare link. Boost your mining output while boosting your shields. Perfect. Mackinaws are more for solo mining not for your own personal mining op. When the Orca fills up run it back to the station, and keep the Hulks in the belt mining. The Hulk excellent yield comes at a cost in the form of less EHP, but paying for itself in a week more than makes up for. No. 1 rule about mining for me is to not mine in system with more than 15 active pilots. As for not getting ganked don't mine AFK. One you're wasting your time. Two I am tempted to gank you myself because you deserve it.


My two Hulks mine more than 90 m3/sec. An Iteron V has trouble keeping up with that. With the second Orca as a hauler, the booster Orca never needs to dock. The miner's never lose boost. My mining Orca doesn't have room for T-Beams. The extra slot has a T2 Siege Warfare mindlink in it. There's no reason for a T-Beam anyway. Booster Orca's wingspan is more than 50km. The booster Orca also provides protection for the miners, and armor repair if needed. So far it has never been needed.

Gankers? Not a problem. I have a few surprises in the booster Orca's SMB. :)
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-02-08 22:09:58 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
but I usually use 2 x Hulk + 2 x Orca. One as a hauler.


terrible advice, to be blunt.

you're losing more ore/hour having a second orca idle doing nothing than you would from a single orca dropping bonuses to unload a full cargo.


This is actually true, but since I fly all 4, I can't afford the time to dock the booster, and the other Orca pilot is both a terrible miner, and a terrible Orca pilot.
Kate stark
#17 - 2013-02-08 23:07:40 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
but I usually use 2 x Hulk + 2 x Orca. One as a hauler.


terrible advice, to be blunt.

you're losing more ore/hour having a second orca idle doing nothing than you would from a single orca dropping bonuses to unload a full cargo.


This is actually true, but since I fly all 4, I can't afford the time to dock the booster, and the other Orca pilot is both a terrible miner, and a terrible Orca pilot.



if your terrible orca could fly a freighter...

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-02-09 14:16:13 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Thelodas wrote:
We are all guilty of it :P


speak for yourself. in none of the games i have played, have i ever made a forum post asking about basic game mechanics.

I wouldn't really call this knowledge basic even if it has been asked and answered repeatedly.

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Kate stark
#19 - 2013-02-09 14:43:38 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Thelodas wrote:
We are all guilty of it :P


speak for yourself. in none of the games i have played, have i ever made a forum post asking about basic game mechanics.

I wouldn't really call this knowledge basic even if it has been asked and answered repeatedly.


and i wouldn't call a mental patient mental, but that doesn't change the fact that they're mental.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-02-09 15:36:32 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
but I usually use 2 x Hulk + 2 x Orca. One as a hauler.


terrible advice, to be blunt.

you're losing more ore/hour having a second orca idle doing nothing than you would from a single orca dropping bonuses to unload a full cargo.


This is actually true, but since I fly all 4, I can't afford the time to dock the booster, and the other Orca pilot is both a terrible miner, and a terrible Orca pilot.



if your terrible orca could fly a freighter...


I have two freighter pilots, but, the last time I checked, freighters can't take on cargo in space. Has that changed?
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