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i am curius as to why the decision to have all all the warfare skills as lvl 5 before getting into a command ship even if the command ship is speced for armor rather than shield, this seems like an odd choice, and for a sec there i also though you guys were gunna give me all the warfare skills to V as well :-P

that's not how it works. if you have the skill injected, you can train it. i've tested this several times, mostly on cyno alts that loose electronics V due to no clones.

except that command ships isn't a racial skill, so no telling if the pilot will be armor/shield.

They can't give you what they don't know.

Now, I've seen quite a few "OH GOD THE REQUIREMENTS FOR MY FAVORITE SHIP ARE CHANGING UNDER ME MY LIFE NO LONGER MAKES SENSE" posts, so let's clear this up:

The most important thing to know about this is the way that the nested skill system in EVE works.

As long as you have the top level prerequisites for a ship, regardless of what their pre-requisites are, you will still be able to use that ship. Here's an example (we'll use the Revelation).

The main additions here are requiring Capital Ships III and Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration I (thereby requiring Advanced Weapon Upgrades V).

Now, you ask, what if I all ready have a Revelation that I'm able to fly now? Am I no longer able to fly it? Do I get Siege and Capital Ships III for free?

The answer to both of those questions is no. Due to you already having JDO I, Capital Ships I, and Amarr Dreadnought I, the prerequisites system no longer cares about everything nested underneath it.

This works the same with T2 guns - if you have specialization skills but lose Turret V, you keep your ability to use those T2 guns. You can no longer train the skills any further if you don't have the prerequisites for the skill, but you keep the skills as they are.

Thankfully, CCP's prerequisites for a lot of things are pretty sane and things that you want anyway to fly that class of ship (apart from Energy Grid Upgrades V for HACs what the christ), so you will probably end up training those prereqs anyway if you don't have them.

To sum up:

Yes, you can still fly your ships.
No, you won't get any free SP.
Yes, you should probably train those prerequisites anyway.

You misunderstood.
If you can fly it now, you'll get all skills to fly them later for free.

No, that's not true at all.
If you can fly it now, you already have all the skills to fly it even after the change.


For example, I have Heavy Assault Ships trained to 4, but I do not have Energy Grid Upgrades 5.
When the skill requirements are changed, the HAS (will become HAC) skill will have a prerequisite of EGU 5.
Since I already have HAS injected I don't need EGU 5 in order to train it, nor will I need it to fly my Zealot.
Essentially I'll be grandfathered in. However CCP will not give me EGU 5.

See above. Several people in this thread have stated that they have been able to train skills even after losing a prerequisite for that skill (for example, a cyno alt loses electronics 5, but is still able to train cyno field generation). Prerequisites are required to inject the skill, beyond that they do not affect your ability to train it or use any items or ships that are unlocked by that skill.

Except several people have said the reverse, and a dev has essentially confirmed it (though not unambiguously, IMO).

Do it right!

it is not suppose to be easy to get into a titan or a supercarrier, add them both to the requisites list: Doomsday + Jump Portal

In the case of a super carrier add Fighter Bombers to the requirements and done it right, nobody is supose to fly one without them anyway...