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Help with an affordable Pve/PvP fit for a Hurricane
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Gnom LeFrank
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-07 12:50:32 UTC
Evenin`.

Recently purchased a Hurricane, so i would naturally want to have it fitted.

Does anyone have any tried and testet, working and affordable fits?
Preferably not to hardcore, as my SP arent in the millions and millions yet.

Looking for a PvE and PvP fit, or something that works ok in both settings.

The only real power comes out of a long rifle.
Skorpynekomimi
#2 - 2013-02-07 13:45:17 UTC
Generally, as a rule, a PvE fit won't work well for PvP, and vice versa.

Also, if you don't know how to fit for pvp already, I'd suggest not using your shiney new battlecruiser in pvp.

Something I threw up based on my previous experience:

[Hurricane, PvE Cane]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Booster II

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I

Economic PVP
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-07 14:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc Callan
Think of PVP as a drag race, and PVE as an endurance race. In PVE, you need to absorb damage for an extended period of time, using shield recharge (active or passive) or armor repair systems. PVP combat is rarely about endurance; hostile players will try to throw as much damage at you as possible, as quickly as possible, to break any defensive regeneration you may have.

That said, your best compromise might be a passive-tanked shield-buffer Hurricane. At the moment, posting fits won't help, because they'll be obsolete by Tuesday [edit: the 19th] in any case, when battlecruiser tiericide hits...

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Gnom LeFrank
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-02-07 14:20:59 UTC
ah ok, so perhaps i should wait investing alot in a fit until tuesday is over then?

The only real power comes out of a long rifle.
Skorpynekomimi
#5 - 2013-02-07 14:29:29 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
Think of PVP as a drag race, and PVE as an endurance race. In PVE, you need to absorb damage for an extended period of time, using shield recharge (active or passive) or armor repair systems. PVP combat is rarely about endurance; hostile players will try to throw as much damage at you as possible, as quickly as possible, to break any defensive regeneration you may have.

That said, your best compromise might be a passive-tanked shield-buffer Hurricane. At the moment, posting fits won't help, because they'll be obsolete by Tuesday in any case, when battlecruiser tiericide hits...


That's hitting TUESDAY?

Crap.

Economic PVP
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-07 15:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: culo duro
When the new patch hit it's basically just a brutix fit for the armor buffer.
Quote:
[Hurricane, PVP Buffer]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1



Quote:
[Hurricane, Nano Cane]
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Aria Ta'Rohk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-02-07 15:19:21 UTC
culo duro wrote:
When the new patch hit it's basically just a brutix fit for the armor buffer.
Quote:
[Hurricane, PVP Buffer]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1



Quote:
[Hurricane, Nano Cane]
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

Minus the 2nd utility high, and 500 capacitor to run everything

I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-07 21:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Antonio Steele
PVE Hurricane
high slots:
6X 650mm artillery (get the best you can afford)
2X rapid light missile launcher

Mid Slots:
1 LARGE shield extender (get the best you can afford)
1 10mn Experimental Afterburner
2X shield hardners, one for each damage type the rats are dealing, and if they deal all types, go thermal and EM

Low Slots:
3X beta shield power relay
2X Tracking enhancer (get what you can afford)
1X Gyrostabilizer (Get the best you can)

Rigs:
3X shield purger something or other rig


This will give you a sustainable shield tank that can take more DPS than any active tank I could fit on my hurricane. The artillery is best used beyond 20-25 km with the highest damage ammo. Artillery is usually used beyond the optimal range but that works fine due to huge falloff range. The missile launchers can be dropped if you can't fit them. They should be the first to go.
Provence Tristram
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-02-07 21:59:04 UTC
Go tier 1 on everything on this fitting: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25797-Hurricane-Dark-Fusion-Terror-L3-Mission-Runner.html

That's one of the top rated fitting on Battleclinic bar-none.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-02-07 22:10:32 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:
Go tier 1 on everything on this fitting: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25797-Hurricane-Dark-Fusion-Terror-L3-Mission-Runner.html

That's one of the top rated fitting on Battleclinic bar-none.

...which only proves that battleclinic is full of retards.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-07 22:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Antonio Steele
Provence Tristram wrote:
Go tier 1 on everything on this fitting: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25797-Hurricane-Dark-Fusion-Terror-L3-Mission-Runner.html

That's one of the top rated fitting on Battleclinic bar-none.



Top rated, but not necessarily best. The fit I posted can tank more than double that fit and only loses a minuscule amount of DPS.

and as the guy above me said, battleclinic has a lot of idiots on it.
Orlacc
#12 - 2013-02-07 22:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Artillery on a PVE Cane? Or is it a PVP sniper?

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-02-07 22:50:21 UTC
you do not want to pve with autocannons, except in c1 wormholes.

I should buy an Ishtar.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#14 - 2013-02-07 22:50:30 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:
Go tier 1 on everything on this fitting: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25797-Hurricane-Dark-Fusion-Terror-L3-Mission-Runner.html

That's one of the top rated fitting on Battleclinic bar-none.

That is such a bad fit, mainly for the 3 cap rechargers when he could have 1 cap booster and 2 tracking computer for better tracking/optimal

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-02-07 23:10:16 UTC
Antonio Steele wrote:
PVE Hurricane
high slots:
6X 650mm artillery (get the best you can afford)
2X rapid light missile launcher

Mid Slots:
1 LARGE shield extender (get the best you can afford)
1 10mn Experimental Afterburner
2X shield hardners, one for each damage type the rats are dealing, and if they deal all types, go thermal and EM

Low Slots:
3X beta shield power relay
2X Tracking enhancer (get what you can afford)
1X Gyrostabilizer (Get the best you can)

Rigs:
3X shield purger something or other rig


My Cane was basically same as this but i had gyros and te swapped around. Later i dropped one relay for 3rd gyro since i didnt need as much tank.
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-08 01:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Antonio Steele
Termy Rockling wrote:
Antonio Steele wrote:
PVE Hurricane
high slots:
6X 650mm artillery (get the best you can afford)
2X rapid light missile launcher

Mid Slots:
1 LARGE shield extender (get the best you can afford)
1 10mn Experimental Afterburner
2X shield hardners, one for each damage type the rats are dealing, and if they deal all types, go thermal and EM

Low Slots:
3X beta shield power relay
2X Tracking enhancer (get what you can afford)
1X Gyrostabilizer (Get the best you can)

Rigs:
3X shield purger something or other rig


My Cane was basically same as this but i had gyros and te swapped around. Later i dropped one relay for 3rd gyro since i didnt need as much tank.


Yeah, I run 2 gyro, 1 tracking enhancer too, but figured they might be less skilled. I needed the 2 tracking enhancers starting out, but then I got better skills and honed my flight tactics.

also, artillery is better than autocannons for PVE because the extra DPS comes with a lot longer time closing on each target. You actually can do missions quicker with artillery because though you have less dps, you can engage each target sooner and thus speed things along.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-02-08 13:36:04 UTC
Antonio Steele wrote:
also, artillery is better than autocannons for PVE because the extra DPS comes with a lot longer time closing on each target. You actually can do missions quicker with artillery because though you have less dps, you can engage each target sooner and thus speed things along.


I cant even count how many times i have brought up this fact when talkin to people about missionboats, so many people just stare the dps number and forget the massive difference in the engagement range between the short and long range weaponry.
Provence Tristram
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-08 14:06:23 UTC
Termy Rockling wrote:
Antonio Steele wrote:
also, artillery is better than autocannons for PVE because the extra DPS comes with a lot longer time closing on each target. You actually can do missions quicker with artillery because though you have less dps, you can engage each target sooner and thus speed things along.


I cant even count how many times i have brought up this fact when talkin to people about missionboats, so many people just stare the dps number and forget the massive difference in the engagement range between the short and long range weaponry.


Yup. Same reason I always use beams on Amarr ships for PvE.
Cal Stantson
17eme Chasseurs a Cheval
#19 - 2013-02-08 15:05:52 UTC
Buffer shieldcane actually works reasonably well in PvE. One of the few fits that can effectively do both.
Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-08 18:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowschild
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Generally, as a rule, a PvE fit won't work well for PvP, and vice versa.

Also, if you don't know how to fit for pvp already, I'd suggest not using your shiney new battlecruiser in pvp.

Something I threw up based on my previous experience:

[Hurricane, PvE Cane]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Booster II

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I



#1 - hurricanes are armor tanked (often 2x) for pve or occasionally shield buffer tanked for pvp.
#2 - autocannon pve is a waste of time you will hate chasing rats that are 30km away & especially without a web....
#3 - you don't need to fill the 2 high slots with missles (i.e. no ship/ mod bonus), max out the powergrid without them.
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