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Battle of the Empires

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Yazatas.
#21 - 2013-02-05 13:04:01 UTC
Thats not a mushroomed shaped asteroid... Thats a starship.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.

Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2013-02-05 14:09:23 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#23 - 2013-02-05 16:45:40 UTC


That look less like a empires head to head...and more like the old Incredible Hulk tv show....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#24 - 2013-02-05 16:51:12 UTC
Well, I guess the Amarr empire can just use the typical RnK setup.

The Archon backbone will make it hard to break their ships and the refitting allows the to use smartbombs to clear out Fighters.

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-02-05 19:56:52 UTC
see! smartbombs
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
#26 - 2013-02-05 20:20:57 UTC
The Galactic Empire had great small fighters, but terrible Fleet Commanders, and I don't remember them ever accomplishing much with any of their midsized ships. Other posters have pointed out the great advantage of remote repair ships in the Amarr fleet. I'm betting on the Amarr to win.

(The after-battle videos would look pretty classy. Black ships vs. golden ships.)

Khergit Deserters wrote:
Besides, the Empire has The Force, Dark Side of. Amarr have no Force in them whatsoever.

It’s a good point, but the Sith don’t seem to have bothered much with the direct command of fleet battles during the time period of the Galactic Empire. Darth Vader himself usually abandoned command to the admirals while he bopped about in TIE fighters or led small parties of Stormtroopers. So I am discounting the influence of the Force. Besides, the Empress says that God is on the side of the Amarr. Top that. Smile
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-02-05 20:24:40 UTC
Vader's a glory seeker lol
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#28 - 2013-02-05 20:47:45 UTC
the Nerd is strong with these ones.

no, seriously. i only understand about half this thread. Smile

i seem to remember at some point being told that each star destroyer in star wars was like a mile long. and that the "super" variety was like 9 miles. i get no impression of that kind of size in our ships. even the big ones. hundreds of guns on each. as far as the repair ship idea goes, i think they would just target/jam/tractor whatever they do those ships when they find out what they are up to and take them out first.

plus the empire likes to blow up planets and stuff. so idk, judging by what i've heard and been exposed to regarding star wars vs what i've seen in EvE...i'd hazard the guess that the star wars ships would wipe their asses with EvE ships and not even bother with the dingleberry-esque drones.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-02-05 21:16:21 UTC
I think people take the remote repair bit out of context a little.

True, amarr ships can repair armor, big help for sure. But that isn't to say that the star wars ships have no defenses at all. I would wager that the Star Wars ships have quite decent defenses at the end of the day.... just more shields

Star wars ships dont have armor at all... not in the same sense of the Empire where that is their main source of defense. And the Star wars ships shields DO recharge at quite a fast rate.... although the shields only protect against large blasts, its why small fighters are able to effectively destroy hard-points on the Star Destroyers, although not do significant damage to the ships themselves.

Another thing star wars does implment is boarders. Star destroyers do have a rather large complement of fighting troops while the Amarr ships really dont have anything significant in terms of ways to repel such a thing. Since we aren't talking about pod ships (just standard amarr navy ships), there would be alot of internal damage that could be done by a squad of gunny storm-troopers... Although admittedly finding their way aboard may be a tall order... More so if the ship doesn't have a drone bay.

I still think the Amarr empire would win. Be a great fight though.
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-02-05 21:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ila Dace
There are basically two likelihoods:

One:
We send AndrewZ Inv in his Arbitrator with three or four reships... he wipes the whole fleet as nothing can hit him with the TD bonus. When they get lucky, he comes back in another one...

or Two:
Emperor: What do you mean we no longer have an Empire?!?

Vader: Apparently General Podus was actually a spy named A55Master HueHue. He disbanded the alliance and created a corporation named The Empire. We can't access the Death Star and he reprocessed all the Star Destroyers.

Emperor: Who gave him roles?

Vader: You did... You had six Flaming Gundarks with General Podus and thought he was "an awesome dude" after he went out force choking with you.

Emperor: He's not a Sith though.

Vader: He had some alts that pretended to suffocate when he wiggled his fingers at them.

Emperor: They shall PAY!!!

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!

Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-02-06 00:50:29 UTC
HAHAHHAHAHA
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#32 - 2013-02-06 09:56:28 UTC
Each Amarr Geddon (which is about 1k long) has 8 laser turrets.

A single Star destroyer (1.6 km long and much more mass) has 60 turbolaser turrets and 60 ion cannon turrets. Turbolaser are more plasma cannons than lasers, so they are like artilleries with plasma ammo, and ion are EM pure damage which can disable electronic devices (no more ghost in the shell for you capsuleer!). And after that, they have 4 super heavy turrets on both sides of the superstructure, rarely used in the movies because they can only hit things big and slow (like you know... amarr BSs)

This without counting the fighter compliment which can be considered equal to carrier one man ship figthers (TIEs) and fighter bombers (TIE bomber) 72 fighters each, all capable of being fielded at the same time. And don't get me started in case they bring their advanced models (Adv, Defender...)

And the support ships can range from Victory star destroyers (900 m long destroyers specialized in planetary bombardment and missile deployement, think drakes) to assault cruisers (think Zealots) and lancer frigates (Think thrashers) Each lancer frigate has 40 quad AA laser batteries, and one of them can just wipe the floor with a full X wing squadron. Only one of them can shred light and medium drones fast and hard.

They have their own titans (Super star destroyers) which is also a Mothership (like 500 fighters onboard, all deployed at the same time)

Forget about Cap warfare, Destroyer reactor has a medium star range power output.

Also, they don't "warp" so in case you focus fire, the sieged ship will just jump out and come back later. You can't tackle them, except if you have interdiction fieds (gravitational)

I'm not saying that the Empire will roflstomp the Amarr, but I don't think the amarr will have a chance against a fleet with the similar characteristics.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#33 - 2013-02-06 22:45:28 UTC
The Hobbits would win with their Continuum Transfunctioner fueled by Dalek tears!

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2013-02-07 01:22:53 UTC
super star destroyers vs titans do it. do it. DO it. DO IT.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#35 - 2013-02-07 03:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Eurydia Vespasian
the star destroyer simply looks like it makes more sense. if a 19 kilometer long space vessel can be said to make sense at all.

i suppose if they couldn't take each other other out with weapons and such they could just resort to greek and roman warfare tactics of simply ramming each other. in which case the gallente ship looks to have a distinct advantage. lol
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2013-02-07 03:55:40 UTC
the death star mark II (the unfinished one) is 190KM in diameter, but there's only one of them.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-02-07 05:20:19 UTC
looking at that size comparison, it does remind me of another battle of empires I plan on doing... The IOM (Imperlium of man... warhammer 40k) vs the Amarr empire.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#38 - 2013-02-07 08:58:44 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
looking at that size comparison, it does remind me of another battle of empires I plan on doing... The IOM (Imperlium of man... warhammer 40k) vs the Amarr empire.


I'm very sorry, but the Imperium frigates are bigger than an Armageddon, while capital ships are in ranges of 16 to 20 km.

Also, one of their standard cruisers, Lunar class, has the dreaded Nova cannon, which in fact is a very, very big railgun fit on the ship keel which shoots high yield nuclear bombs.

Anti ship weapons range is from gun batteries (literally hundreds of turrets) to lances, high power lasers, capable of tearing a frigate (remember, imperium frigates are bigger than EvE battleships!!) in one shot.

And torpedoes, which are 110 and 150 m long EACH, with a triple stage warhead. The first stage breach the hull, the rear stage propels the warhead into the breach, and the central one detonates inside the hull of the damaged ship.

Not to mention Boarding torpedoes filled with Speishhh Merinnssss

BUT (and this is a very big but) the Imperium of mankind is very slow, and most of the bigger ships are like relics and they are produced very, very slowly (if produced at all) while in EvE in case of warfare and profit, Industrials all around could just mass produce anything to replace the losses. Also almost all their fleets are commited to fight threats around the vast domain of the Imperium.

So in the small picture, the Imperium can win due to massive firepower. But in the long term, EvE would win the attrition war.

Holy **** I'm such a Nerd I don't know if I should feel proud or ashamed Roll
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-02-07 20:34:55 UTC
Yeah, the size thing does make it hard to compare... but the amount of 'heresy' that will be shouted during the battle is just... awsome...

Although there is always a chance the IOM ships will just get sucked into the warp and TKO themselves. Also IOM ships idea of defenses is their hull and void shields.

Void shields, for the uninitiated, are basically a barrier which has a send hostile projectiles to the warp (hell... in layman terms), most the time. Its not like shields in eve where they take damage until depleted. Void shields either work and send the attack to the warp (entirely negating the attack, no matter how large)... Or they don't... and the attack just slams right into the hull doing critical system damage. So the Titans doomsday weapon is either going to seriously mess with the ship, or be laughed off.

An ships for the 40k universe are very unstable beasts which draw their energy from the aforementioned warp. So that is something that would NEED to be taken into account in a battle. They also have no FTL travel beyond powerful pskyers pulling the entire ship into the warp and then (hopefully) pulling it back out where they want to be. Every trip, even short ones like from one planet to another within a solar system, requires this slow and dangerous process. I am going to give a break for the IOM by saying that the light of astardes reaches the system in question, otherwise Chaos invasion would be a guarantee.

The weapons of the IOM ships are quite formidable. One of those torpedo smashing into even a titan would surely cause fatal damage. Although luckily for the Amarr, they are counter-able. The torpedoes are very VERY slow and the turrets of Amarr ships would have little trouble tracking and destroying them (although the damage they would cause from the shock-wave should not be underestimated.

Likely their deadliest weapon against Amarr ships though would be the stormravens, small bording ships designed to smash into the hulls of hostile craft and deliver space marines inside. As noted against the Star Destroyers... The Amarr empire has NO significant defense against borders. A single kill team boarding a Amarr ship would spell its doom without question. The space marines would likely go unchallenged and frankly would tear apart any resistance with no trouble at all... Even if for some reason it had a squad of dust bunnies on board.

SO IOM V Amarr... I would give it to the IOM, although they would take losses.
on that matter, Amarr V Starwars...Good fight, pretty even on all sides, but Amarr empire would likely carry the day.
And lastly IOM v Starwars... Heh heh heh. Theres no chance in hell for starwars.
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