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Cipreh for CSM8! Make our voices heard! [QUALIFIED]

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V'Kanth Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-01-23 18:18:09 UTC
+1 for Cip from me.

I'm also a little bit in love with Alisyana. Is that so wrong?
Jay Joringer
13.
#82 - 2013-01-23 18:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jay Joringer
Alisyana wrote:
Jay Joringer wrote:


With that in mind, I'm more inclined to look for an alternative than someone who hasn't explained his own manefesto.



So you'd be more inclined to support someone with pre-set ideals that are in line with yours over someone who is going to listen to the community as a whole and support as many of those positions as he can?

That sounds a little narrowly focused to me.


Then perhaps I should be voting for someone who will do the exact opposite of what I want? Your statement is deliciously ironic in its own 'narrow focus'. Let's not be naive about what it is to be a constituent in a voting community. Any candidate for these things will have his own agenda. Anyone who says they are doing it purely for the sake of their constituents is a liar. With that token, a voter will want his representative to have similarly aligned views to his own - else there is little point in any democratic process.

What you should be asking is if my personal aspirations for WH space would benefit the community as a whole and is that something a specific candidate can represent.

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Xtover
Cold Moon Destruction.
#83 - 2013-01-23 18:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Xtover
Alisyana wrote:


1. Great opinion. I just disagree with it.
2. I already explained why I support him. I could care less about most changes that might take place. I will adapt, as will everyone else.
3. If you want elections to be about aligning with a candidate's stated views, you can go do that. Then don't complain when that candidate is for something you don't agree with. Accept them as they are, or pick someone to fight the battles you want to see fought.

Someone said something about feeling jaded after the last election. Two Step isn't a bad CSM, but he has goals and a direction that clearly facilitate putting pressure on corps to step into C5's and C6's, while making it more difficult to be in a lower class wormhole. Class warfare? lol nice pun, eh? However, it's understandable that he would want to see changes that would benefit his corp and alliance. Cipreh is looking to represent not just one class of dwellers, but all. And after hearing his approach, I would support that over someone who's working solely for their one corp or alliance. Why? Because even if he is a part of LOST, we operate in all WH space, so taking an approach towards one class or another will always affect some part of this alliance in a positive way, and some in a negative way. That neutral situation we have is rather unique, and we see all sides of the gameplay, so focusing on changing this, or that will always have both effects on us. So if Cip were to be pushing a pre-defined agenda, he'd be both agitating part of his alliance, and helping another.

A guy that can balance that in the face of his peers is a guy I can support. He's willing to stand up for what the community wants, because no matter what he does specifically towards this balancing, etc., there's going to be some benefit but also some detriment to us in the end.



Ali,

I swear to god if you keep talking sense I'm putting you back in your cage.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-01-23 18:52:02 UTC
WTB more candidates

I'm not particularly interested in this conversation until I know who he's running against and have something to compare his opinions to. Best not to beat this thread to death before the options are even on the table. I think we did that to POSes once.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#85 - 2013-01-23 20:22:52 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
WTB more candidates

I'm not particularly interested in this conversation until I know who he's running against and have something to compare his opinions to. Best not to beat this thread to death before the options are even on the table. I think we did that to POSes once.



I concur. While I support Cipreh and what his stated goals are, and putting the alliance ties aside, it would be nice to have other candidates to compare and contrast against. Right now, while Cip has tried to answer questions openly and honestly, a certain sub-group seems only interested in finding fault with everything he says. Eve at its finest... Roll

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Simon Severasse
Los Marginales
#86 - 2013-01-23 20:28:01 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:

I concur. While I support Cipreh and what his stated goals are, and putting the alliance ties aside, it would be nice to have other candidates to compare and contrast against. Right now, while Cip has tried to answer questions openly and honestly, a certain sub-group seems only interested in finding fault with everything he says. Eve at its finest... Roll



hehehe nothing new under the sun there ;)

I think having various CSM candidates would be very nice for the WH community
Chyster VII
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2013-01-24 04:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Chyster VII
Is Wspace boring? It depends on what you are doing.

Is Wspace stagnating? It depends on what the general populace is doing.

Will Wspace change? That depends on us. Not just the little guys’ eking out an existence in the low end or the escalation pilots at the high end, it will take all of us. I have a great deal of respect for any pilot who lives in Wspace. Our corporations and alliances are a conglomerate that makes Wspace what it is. If I shoot the seat out from under you tomorrow, you are still part of that conglomerate (unless you quit on us). We control Wspace. We are Wspace. What I don't want is representation that separates us into bins which creates infighting that pushes us apart. Not that this candidate will, but it has happened and something we should all consider.

I am sure everyone realizes there is no magic bullet or army of programmers to fulfill a wish list. The amount of code the CCP nerds have to develop/rearrange for each change is a pain in the ass. One ****up and you have a cascade failure.

What some may be unaware of is each change request has to have a business case scenario to ensure it aligns with CCPs financial goals and objectives, an execution plan has to be developed with milestones and deadlines, manage the multi-disciplined development resources, create new report generation queries to monitor the effects of the change... I can go on, but I won't. They have to be extremely picky and whatever they do must have significant impact to the entire sandbox.

My point is that change is not easy. No pink tasseled princess wands to wave. I've seen a lot of suggestions in the forums, some good, some bad and some that were terrible.

If we are saying as a community that Wspace is stagnating, then we are saying we want to fix something that is broken. Hold off on brainstormed suggestions, ask the only relevant question first, and then brainstorm for fixes. The only relevant question is "What is the cause of ______?" Look for the causal factors and fix them.

I'll toss out two real quick:

Why do people NOT go into Wspace?
The most dangerous playground from my perspective is LS. Even so, in the right ship, I'll go anywhere I want in EVE with little fear of loss. But Wspace is like finding an open manhole at night. Only brave (or stupid) souls jump in. Wspace is not transparent which keeps people out. There's no porch light to illuminate the shadows. If we want people in, we should consider changing the level of opacity. That may be distasteful for some of us, but before you /rage keep in mind it's only a suggestion from a single perspective.

Why are there vacant Wspace systems?
Back to back C4 chains 9 deep. It's not common, but it's not rare either. No route out, less probability of inhabitants.
C5/C6 cap escalation takes more intestinal fortutude than most people have. Don't change it, I'm just saying.
Lots of introverts (the bears) rolling in small corps whose members consist of 3 or 4 RL friends. Add in TZ and language barriers and they spread farther apart. This is a sandbox. Those small corps not banding together outside Wspace affects Wspace. The irony is that by the time these small groups pass corporate puberty and get into Wspace, we crap in their cereal.
My last comment on this topic...black holes suck...period!

This is only one point of view of many. Take it to heart or take it to the trash, it's your choice.

One last thing for those that think TLost is entrenched and eviction impractical, petition CCP for a device that makes suns go supernova. I'd give up all my stuff just to see that explosion. Spectacular!
Grythome DrakeAmour
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-01-24 14:12:25 UTC
My vote will be going for Cipreh. I believe he will work towards goals that benefit w-dwellers, as well as EVE as a whole. All parts of the sandbox are connected, and any ripples in the w-space waters affect high-sec space and dwellers as well as the reverse.

-Gry

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-01-25 10:58:18 UTC

Um.

Why don't we put two people on the CSM? With the right networking, W-space has the votes to do it.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#90 - 2013-01-25 11:04:00 UTC
I wanted to suggest this myself, but then I looked at the numbers. While Two step had the second-most votes last time, if his votes had been split in two, both candidates would not have made it.

Maybe we could get more votes out next time, but then maybe we can't. Seems like a big gamble.

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Simon Severasse
Los Marginales
#91 - 2013-01-25 11:08:18 UTC
Better a strong voice than a weak one and a Darius III
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#92 - 2013-01-25 12:56:30 UTC
Like most of us, I had more than one vote in the last elections and I naturally voted also for WH representative, but if I'd had only one vote, it would have gone to a candidate who represents the player base on a more general platform.

So Cipreh (and others as well)

do you think that it's a better idea to have a CSM consisting of people representing various focus groups, than aim to assemble people who try more to act as links between all the players and CCP?

Has EVE grown so big that we have to have our versions of political parties, interest groups?

Would you prioritize WH-specific development over something that affects a bigger portion of subscribers?

Just to somehow keep in mind that we aren't actually the 99%, closer to that magical 1% in a wider sense than just the number of accounts.

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Taz Edenrunner
Kit TBR
#93 - 2013-01-25 13:18:28 UTC
If your standing for CSM, you need to be keenly aware that people (like myself) will pick apart EVERY SINGLE WORD you put forward, going all butthurt and saying dont feed the trolls goes towards showing that maybe you may not be the sort of person to stand for CSM.

What I want in a CSM is someone who is clear in their messages so I dont have to keep coming back over and over again to ensure that I fully understand what your trying to put forward, going to assume that CCP need the same clarity otherwise some suggestion you put forward about some of their design proposals may be mis-interupted resulting in some horror feature being implmented that we end up screaming at CCP to fix for the next 5 years
Glasgow Dunlop
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-01-25 14:24:16 UTC
For every message that will be put forward, somebody will counterpoint it.

Politics.

I want sleeper cake, and i shall have it, personally the person we put up and then onto the CSM, either Cipreh or somebody else, does like what a UK minister would do, look out for WH space and really not give any anything more than 10% to k-space issues.

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Indo Nira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-01-26 01:24:01 UTC
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:
For every message that will be put forward, somebody will counterpoint it.

Politics.

I want sleeper cake, and i shall have it, personally the person we put up and then onto the CSM, either Cipreh or somebody else, does like what a UK minister would do, look out for WH space and really not give any anything more than 10% to k-space issues.



the uk minister that says: VOTE US IN 2015 SO YOU CAN HAVE A REFERENDUM IN 2017? interesting
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-01-26 02:33:13 UTC
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:
I want sleeper cake, and i shall have it, personally the person we put up and then onto the CSM, either Cipreh or somebody else, does like what a UK minister would do, look out for WH space and really not give any anything more than 10% to k-space issues.

not factoring in kspace when pushing for WH changes is a great way to make sure we never get any of the changes we want.

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-01-26 04:42:19 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
I wanted to suggest this myself, but then I looked at the numbers. While Two step had the second-most votes last time, if his votes had been split in two, both candidates would not have made it.

Maybe we could get more votes out next time, but then maybe we can't. Seems like a big gamble.


Maybe that's something we should discuss.

How many rabble-rousers can we get out there to get votes in?

But first things first. Should get all of our possible candidates out front so we can have a look at them.
Cipreh
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2013-01-29 10:59:25 UTC
Sorry, I've been neglecting this thread a bit. We candidates are currently waiting to hear back from Two Step regarding the need for a primary race. I will update this thread with information as I get my hands on it.

Blog: http://lostwithoutlocal.blogspot.com Twitter: @Cipreh I am also available on Skype, details available upon request. Feel free to contact me via any of the above methods,or in-game.
Sai Talos
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-01-29 15:43:25 UTC
We need a strong advocate. We don't need specific platforms. We need someone who's gunna do what they say they'll do.

Can personally vouch for Cipreh as my C4 stumbled across his a few weeks back. The man keeps his word and his blue status.

+1 for a vote

The guy that does all the videos
Cipreh
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-02-07 01:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipreh
I am going to be having an open Q&A session on Saturday, to discuss my goals as a CSM representative, and discussing the issues the community at large feels are relevant.

Thank you in advance to Posthuman Society for hosting it on their voice comms.

I will be updating this thread with the relevant information on the day of the meeting, so keep an eye here!

I hope to see you all there!

Blog: http://lostwithoutlocal.blogspot.com Twitter: @Cipreh I am also available on Skype, details available upon request. Feel free to contact me via any of the above methods,or in-game.