EVE New Citizens Q&A

EDIT: I apologize for lack of TLDR. It's long

Every time I join the Eve university admissions queue my place in line goes up the longer I wait. Quite disheartening. If I ***** in the e-uni channel, people act like I have ADD or something. Yea, wanting to start learning how to play the damn game 3 days after I paid for it (and 5 days after I signed up) is real ADD. Healthy people are happy to wait 6 months of monthly subscription to actually start getting some help. Right?

At this point the game is so "mature" (read: ripe with old farts filled with advantages) that you can hardly start doing anything without some serious help from a corporation. I went and I spent a ton of isk to at least start researching some blueprints or something, only to see all research spots are taken for the next month and a half at ALL stations in this region. Awesome, so either a ton of people are hi sec carebears who don't ever experience 99% of the game, or there are a LOT of people with many many alts. I just LOVE competing with that, with only the wiki by my side. If I so much as peek outside of hi-sec, I get blown up.

Do you have any suggestions on what the hell I can do? Because the more I read and the more I play the more I realise this game is full of GOTCHAs, and if I join the wrong corp I can make life really hard for myself for a LONG time, even if I leave that corp. Of course I eve-mailed the goons, where I think I will probably want to end up, and all I got back was silence. So far this game has been the worst most unwelcoming gaming community ever. Even LOL players at least ******* acknowledge you, even if all they do is act like retards.

Who can I contact for some guidance? Which corporation should I join? What can I do, man? I'm stuck in hi sec with all slots for everything taken up, even the ******* asteroid fields are MINED THE **** OUT. To discover hidden fields I need to wait another few days for my astrometrics skills to train up, because right now I'm having a really hard time finding gravimemtric anomalies so I can at least pretend like I'm playing the game. Give me some advice, please.



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This is what I did so far: read probably 60% of the eve-u wiki and good deal of the official one as well. Signed up with the buddy pass of a guy on the forum. Got some 410M isk for subscribing. Applied to e-uni, being careful to do EVERYTHING in their application process. Set up my overview laboriously as per e-uni standards, doing it slowly as to understand WHY I'm setting it up like that. Mined some veldspar. Went to Jita and got ripped off. Finished all career missions. Mined what I could. Messed around with fittings. Bought a cheap blue print original for some ammo, only to realize there are no hi sec research spots left. Played around with scanning. Had no problem finding all the training sites in seconds. Had a lot of problem finding anything but rat sites in high sec space.

Now I'm 5 days in, no interview with e-uni, afraid to death to join another corp because it seems if you join the wrong one you can find yourself station camped all day, hated by people you never met, and get a bad reputation following you even after you leave. I read the recruiting forum, and there are some corps I like, but I'm afraid of another GOTCHA. I'd like to join the goons, I started playing this game after reading about that big battle, but the goons are not responding. I guess I'm too insignificant for them. Or a spy or some ****. I don't have a somethingawful forum account. I don't want to make one, I want to play eve.

Then I read the wiki at the Test Alliance site. Well, the part that is public anyway. I liked it. I really liked their videos where they said how they value noobs and how today's frigate pilot is tommorrow's battleship pilot, etc, eventually titan pilot. I got so excited, I looked up the rules for joining and these "welcoming" people want me to make a forum account and for 3 months spam their sub-sub reddit. Lol, I don't want a reddit account, I want to play eve.

Well maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for a corp that does it all. I want to learn how to do everything in the game. I want to mine some, I want to research and slowly start to manufacture. I don't know how people can do only "industrial" stuff in hi-sec, I know enough to realise that outside of mining, the rest of the industrial stuff is pretty afk. Queue some skills, set up some jobs, then you can do something else.

I want a corporation that isn't full of scammers or pathetic hisec wannabes. IDEALLY, I would like to join the goons but they can eat my a** if they think I'm joining somethingawful. I would like to join a corp that is like the goons were many years ago, when they were nobodies that worked hard to make a space for themselves in nullsec. That's what I would love, but I don't think that's possible anymore.

Here's what I want: I want to do a bit of everything, end game for me is to be a titan pilot and fleet commander and be a part of big ass macro ops to take over the universe. That's what I'd ultimately like to do. And on the way there, learn each type of ship and each type of "job" piece by piece until I'm really good at all of them. I don't care if it takes 5 years, if the game can hold my interest for so long, great.

I don't have a problem with using voice comms all the time. I don't have a problem with following complicated rules. I don't have a problem with a chain of command. I don't have a problem with installing some app on my phone to wake up and participate in a battle if the need arises.

Is there any corporation that values that? A corporation that isn't a bunch of wannabes? I want to experience the game, the WHOLE game. I don't want to stay only in hisec, I don't want to rent some space in nullsec and only mine, I don't want to be a part of a corporation that will never ever have titans and be a part of anything larger.

It always pays to look at what you are going to do before you do it. A simple check at station queues would let you realize that you are pretty much stuck using either a POS, or finding another station, generally in lowsec. That would have prevented you spending isk on blueprints, which I would guess you probably can't use well if you've only played for about 5 days. Some basic skills are very important in manufacturing, and knowing what you are going to make, along with the margins is important unless you want to lose money.



Have you done the tutorials? I mean Aura, then all 5 career agents? If not, go do them. They will give you a decent idea of the different paths in the game, and have pretty decent rewards. After that, go do the Sisters of EVE Epic Arc.



Finding sites anywhere can just be a pain. You'll have to move around and check other systems until you get lucky with one you want.


So don't join Goons or TEST. Once you find what you want to do, it is easy to use the corp finder to locate one that does what you are interested in. If you don't like it, or decide you want to try something else, move on. Finding a corporation with experienced players will help you a lot as you figure out what to do. Wait for EVE U if you want, I have heard good things about them. Don't worry about 5 days, seriously, EVE takes time. For example, Battleship 5 takes a bit over a month, so get used to taking some time for things to happen. This is not a twitch type game, it takes time and thinking to play, so factor that into whatever you decide to do.


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It is worth mentioning that while you can't get into Goons in the future, you can look to one of their allies and join the same fleets, etc.

If you follow the poster above's advice, I believe you may disqualify yourself from EVE University, so bear that in mind if you would like to go there. However, listening to EVE U's lectures off their wiki works rather well if you just want to learn everything you can.

Not interested in squeezing ever % of profit just yet. An hour of work is worth way more isk than anything I could ever do in game. Not in it for greed. I just want to practice doing all the different things and think about what I want for later on.




Did you read my post? I did do the career agents.



I understand what you're saying and I respect it. But I thought in eve everyone could do what they wanted, no? I want to be a part of something larger. Not interested in camping a warp gate all day, sorry. Also not interested in hanging out with the wannabe griefers who only terrorize dumbass carebears or noobs that make mistakes.

And I get what you're saying man, I didn't say I'm piloting a titan tomorrow and where the hell's my fleet. I'm saying it's been 5 days and I haven't really started playing the way I want. I want to be a part of something. Something organized, something with long term goals to take some damn space, not camp a gate or make newbs cry. I don't want tears, I want star systems. I want to paint the map blue.

1. The butterfly effect, I want to have a chance at triggering it

2. If the corp is well organized as a meritocracy, I will eventually be a big cog with lots of smaller cogs helping me turn. Until then I have no problem attaching to bigger cogs and helping them turn.

Well, to each their own but as I see it if I want to be part of a group and work towards a monetary goal then I have than in real life, why the hell would I agree to that in a game? Personally I HATE big groups, mostly because they're full of clowns (if you want to have a big corps in eve you have to lower your recruitment standards, it really is that simple) and also because I'd rather have my own capabilities and actions affect the outcome of events. If there's 10000 butterflies then who made it happen?

Do not look for a corp and expect that the cameraderie will make everything better. (Hear me out here. I'm going somewhere with this.)

Instead, look for an activity you like.

And yes, you will be competing with a whole lot of other people who enjoy the same thing. Science queues will be long. They always have been. Combat pilots have more skill than you do. It only takes a couple months to catch up with them, and in any case all the skill points in the game wont save them if you get their kiting ship in your scramblers on your blaster ship at 500m. You do not have anywhere near as much "catching up" as you think you do. Skills only go to 5, and it does not matter how many skill points you have in Margin Trading, it wont help you build from a blueprint any better. Things are only helped by a relatively small number of skills at a time.

Start getting good at that activity and doing it. Ask questions about it.

You'll meet other people who like doing that thing. If you get along well with some of them, and they like hanging out with you, they might invite you to join their corp.

Like to blow people up and yarr? Fly a cheap ship to lowsec and start picking fights. Ask for advice from everyone you fight. You'll meet pirates who will talk your ear off and show you lots of stuff.
Like to build things? Start building stuff. Ask for help with your assembly stuff. You might get invited to help out on someones industrial line.
Like to dig at rocks? Start digging rocks and ask for tips and whatnot, and sooner or later people will say 'Hey, we've got an Orca here, grab your Retriever and we'll give you a share.'
Like to.. well, that sort've thing applies to every career out there, pretty much.

I've been seeing a lot of corps that grief newer players just because of this mindset of 'zomg must find a cooorp'.

I also see people in corps that do them no good at all - Evilpants McCaldari, member of "Fluffy Bunny Gallente Mining, Inc." asks "I'm trying to learn how to be a better PVPer, but I get no support from my corp at all. I don't understand it, arent they supposed to help me?" Well, not in this case, because you just did the equivalent of showing up at the Book Club and asking who else wants to ride motorcycles with you.

I might just do that.

Why does your corp name sound familiar?

Sounds like you know you want to go to Null. Awesome. You can work from that. Null isn't for everyone, but it is for some. Dont let the discouragement from people who don't like Null stop you.
Do some research on alliances and such. There's more out there than just Test and Goons. Don't pay anyone to move your stuff for you.

That is easy. Open the map in-game, color the stars by sovereignty (and/or turn on the sov tiles), and look for the SMALL blobs of color. A small corp won't have the resources to hold a large null area, but they DO hold small areas. See who it is from the map legend, and talk to them.