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Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2013-02-06 20:41:09 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
You know if people would stop buying ISK from RMTers and use the official methods, we would not have to worry about this.


I can remember clicking a facebook ad selling EVE assets, more because it was a facebook ad selling EVE assets on the EVE facebook page and I thought, well that is just brave. Anyway, it was selling stuff at around 150% of the real dollar cost of just buying Plex and converting it to ISK then to asset. I had two options open to me. They were really dumb or the site was like a speed trap to catch really dumb people.
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#82 - 2013-02-06 20:42:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
Clearly, when you run a mining bot, you want to mine whatever gives you the lowest ISK/h.
It wasnt the lowest by the time we finishedBlink
Sorry, clearly all the bots changed to ice mining during an ice interdiction, 'cause botters love to play, not only the odds, but also the market Blink
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#83 - 2013-02-06 20:43:13 UTC
This thread needs more clueless hisec nerds who base their opinions on the EN24 comments section.

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Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#84 - 2013-02-06 20:47:01 UTC
Anndy wrote:
lol yes and none of it means anything


Tell me more about what gives 'meaning' to my internet spaceship playtime
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#85 - 2013-02-06 20:47:08 UTC
Complaints about botters in nullsec?

Time for another episode of "Botting by region", presented by CCP Sreegs at Fanfest 2012!

http://i.imgur.com/XZgTccJ.jpg
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2013-02-06 20:47:48 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
Clearly, when you run a mining bot, you want to mine whatever gives you the lowest ISK/h.
It wasnt the lowest by the time we finishedBlink
Sorry, clearly all the bots changed to ice mining during an ice interdiction, 'cause botters love to play, not only the odds, but also the market Blink


Honestly the average bot doesnt seem too smart. At least 20% of them got into a new barge right after we popped the first and went right back to mining in the same spot in the same belt. The record was 5 macks with the other 80% of them trying to mine in a podStraight
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-02-06 20:53:24 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Complaints about botters in nullsec?

Time for another episode of "Botting by region", presented by CCP Sreegs at Fanfest 2012!

http://i.imgur.com/XZgTccJ.jpg


Damn, beat me to it.

~80% of botting done in empire? but...but...but my friends said everyone in nullsec is bots durr durr durrrrrrr

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Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#88 - 2013-02-06 21:05:47 UTC
abloobloobloo muh iskies and muh toonies take the game back from the big bad rmt'ers abloobloobloo!!

do highsec nerds think CCP is going to purge all of the nullsec alliances so they can move in for some leet mining ops or something? get real. nullsec alliances are what make this game money. stories of our awesome huge dongs are spread throughout the internet and CCP gets a hard on while they make igloos out of hundred dollars bills to keep warm in iceland.

most of the botting happens in high sec anyway. all of you bitching about TAKING YOUR GAME BACK need to get a clue. want to take nullsec? start an alliance and take it, ccp isnt going to give it to you because you like to whine like a babby on the eve-o forums over silly crap.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-02-06 21:06:14 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Complaints about botters in nullsec?

Time for another episode of "Botting by region", presented by CCP Sreegs at Fanfest 2012!

http://i.imgur.com/XZgTccJ.jpg


Damn, beat me to it.

~80% of botting done in empire? but...but...but my friends said everyone in nullsec is bots durr durr durrrrrrr

Pffft, whatever would the people who run the server know about the breakdown of activities on that server.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#90 - 2013-02-06 21:09:16 UTC
It has to be the Amish, they have their own TV show (Amish Hitmen) now,so I think the whole no technology thing was just the biggest well-played troll ever.

...or maybe midgets.

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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-02-06 21:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
I absolutely LOVE the fact how guys in big alliances who I don't normally see post in GD(that much) suddenly hotdrop a thread about RMT-ing.

Also, yeah there are more people in high sec, so obviously the % is going to be bigger.
Also, confirming that null peeps don't have alts in high sec and there is absolutely, positively NO WAY they could RMT IF they wanted.

Were you guys jumping from C&P or something and got held up at GD gate ?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#92 - 2013-02-06 21:19:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Also, yeah there are more people in high sec, so obviously the % is going to be bigger.
Also, confirming that null peeps don't have alts in high sec and there is absolutely, positively NO WAY they could RMT IF they wanted.


Try actually following the argument.

If the vast majority of botting is done in empire, how are the supposed "evil nullsec overlord cabal" "controlling RMT"?

What advantage does their suggested dominance of nullsec give them with respect to their RMT bot empires in hisec?

Take your time.

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Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#93 - 2013-02-06 21:25:01 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Also, yeah there are more people in high sec, so obviously the % is going to be bigger.
Also, confirming that null peeps don't have alts in high sec and there is absolutely, positively NO WAY they could RMT IF they wanted.


Try actually following the argument.

If the vast majority of botting is done in empire, how are the supposed "evil nullsec overlord cabal" "controlling RMT"?

What advantage does their suggested dominance of nullsec give them with respect to their RMT bot empires in hisec?

Take your time.


You hit him with so much logic he probably **** his pants.

That and his avatar looks like a blonde mittani irl.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#94 - 2013-02-06 21:29:35 UTC
I used to think one needed to join the 'evil-game-wrecking-goons' to be 'hated' in-game.

Now I see that all one has to do, is to be a hi-sec player.

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Anndy
The Evocati
#95 - 2013-02-06 21:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Anndy
Varius Xeral wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Also, yeah there are more people in high sec, so obviously the % is going to be bigger.
Also, confirming that null peeps don't have alts in high sec and there is absolutely, positively NO WAY they could RMT IF they wanted.


Try actually following the argument.

If the vast majority of botting is done in empire, how are the supposed "evil nullsec overlord cabal" "controlling RMT"?

What advantage does their suggested dominance of nullsec give them with respect to their RMT bot empires in hisec?

Take your time.


obviously they own the bots

EDIT - the RMT allows them to quit their jobs so they can spend more time working on their blue doughnut
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-02-06 21:35:57 UTC
"yeah hisec has the most bots but they're clearly operated by nullsec players, I have no evidence for this but i don't know anyone who bots and I obviously know everyone who plays in hisec, and clearly anyone who bots would be talking about how much they bot"

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#97 - 2013-02-06 21:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Varius Xeral wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Also, yeah there are more people in high sec, so obviously the % is going to be bigger.
Also, confirming that null peeps don't have alts in high sec and there is absolutely, positively NO WAY they could RMT IF they wanted.


Try actually following the argument.

If the vast majority of botting is done in empire, how are the supposed "evil nullsec overlord cabal" "controlling RMT"?

What advantage does their suggested dominance of nullsec give them with respect to their RMT bot empires in hisec?

Take your time.



Here let me help. How many region of null allow for safe and truly lucrative botting? If you happen to not have access to those kind of regions the safety of empire will take precedence.




Or do you think that only people who live in empire can bot in empire? These people botting are alts of older players, and they are characters made by people who have never played the game in a social way other then to make real life money. The average empire dweller has nothing to do with it.

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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-02-06 21:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Varius Xeral wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Also, yeah there are more people in high sec, so obviously the % is going to be bigger.
Also, confirming that null peeps don't have alts in high sec and there is absolutely, positively NO WAY they could RMT IF they wanted.


Try actually following the argument.

If the vast majority of botting is done in empire, how are the supposed "evil nullsec overlord cabal" "controlling RMT"?

What advantage does their suggested dominance of nullsec give them with respect to their RMT bot empires in hisec?

Take your time.



Well......

Let's see that piechart is showing reported/caught bots. More people in empire = more reports/more botters caught.
Low numbers in null either means that there are far less bots OR they are not reported due to less people actually reporting/finding botters be it intentional or not, I don't know.


You can make more in null, as in, if you compare 10 bots in highsec vs 10 bots in null doing the same activity the null ones are going to end up making more, so that right there already upsets the ratio.

Now, look at the link i posted a few replies up which shows how bot code works. The way it looks is that ratting is FAR easier to setup than missioning, and lets be honest, if you bot you aren't going to be running courier missions for ISK.

Encounter mission botting looks kind of tricky to setup or maybe they just buy a really well coded bot ? But then that adds the whole "for that kind of money i could get plex's" in the first place AND they are clearly putting their mission running account at risk(which is a few mil in SP on its own) as well as possibly an IP ban(?)

Given all that(i hope it makes sense as English isn't my native language) you can see that botting in null where:
-There are more empty systems
-Less people in local
-Higher bounties
...has less risk overall of getting reported/caught. Yeah the bot might lose a ship or 2 once in a while by that occasional roamer but the actual risk of getting reported is way lower. Killer would just think that the ratter was ******** and move on as he laughs at the killmail.

The only "benefit" of botting in highsec is that you have lower chance to lose your ship(concord protection) but the trade off is that there are more people who are likely to report you(especially if bot mining).



These are my thoughts, take them as you will.

Edit: Sculpted Kiteo Hatto's face after what i look like in RL, shame to know i look like Mittens.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-02-06 21:38:09 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Or do you think that only people who live in empire can bot in empire? These people botting are alts of older players, and they are characters made by people who have never played the game in a social way other then to make real life money.


let's see, people who have never played the game in a social way?

i wonder what kind of player fills that description better: the hiseccer in a personal tax-dodging corp or the nullseccer active in an alliance with hundreds of other real people

hmm, clearly the nullseccer

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#100 - 2013-02-06 21:38:33 UTC
Hmmm... pwned by Kiteo Hatto. I approve.

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