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Wow, somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Look out, Supreme Protector, he's coming to get you!

Over fifty billion sold now. Incredible!

OP UPDATED TO REFLECT ADDITIONAL PURCHASES

i hope they post the chatlogs in C& P. sweet sweet tears tonight EDIT oh my victom POV chatlogs

by the looks of this monster of a thread, its ppl paying him to do exactly what happened to you,

i doubt they have carry a list around & differentiate scrubs mining, from investors mining.

the whole reason for this epidemic, is to change miners into eve online players (ppl who dont mine)

you have hit the skill queue hurdle that everyone new & honest faces, don't worry we have all been there, i know you are new, i apologize for making fun. i dont want anyone to get this upset if its there first time around the block. i can see you have soaked up alot of information through the forums, when i started, i used to browse sell orders and think how did they get the isk for that?? in wonder.

you have plex cards there, i assume you bought isk from the site (hey idc none of my business,dont cry poor though, you have RL money thats fine also)

buy a new character from the character bazaar, and specialize your character into something you enjoy. when i first played, the thought of running 2 accounts, seemed daunting. but trust me it pays off. your more experienced pilot can join corps that are further progressed that you main, and then you can see new content, like claire coffee has a c5 wormhole or others have super caps and what not.

if you are mining for minerals to make things, like ammo and stuff, just put in buy orders at jita, all prod costs are based of the mineral prices anyway.

try production out with Sin, buying minerals and making things, then u don;t need mining. some tech 2 items can be invented for decent profit.

when you have the 2 accounts, and specialize them, it gives you more to do with your time, feel less frustrated and helpless

but yeh mining, just skip that for now, this movement seems to have won over eve

see you in the crosshairs.

Hi there SinTeryx. While I am, regrettably, not James (although certain people would have you believe otherwise), I have been an Agent of the New Order for some time now and I feel that I am ideally placed to answer your questions.

The first thing that I notice is that you expected that the purchase of shares is equivalent to the purchase of a mining permit. Unfortunately, it is not. The purchase of shares grants you a voice in Shareholder votes, while the purchase of a mining permit grants you the right to mine unmolested in highsec. Expecting to get both in one purchase would be overpowered. I'm certain, however, that if you were to send an EVEMail to James 315 stating that you would like to refund 10 of your shares and purchase a mining permit with the resulting funds, the issue would be rectified. Our Saviour is nothing if not understanding.

The second thing I notice is that your screenshots are a little bit unclear - they're not in the right order, for a start, and some of them seem to cover things that are unrelated to the case or cover the same things twice or three times. While I think I have the gist of the events this time, in future you can find your chatlogs at Documents/EVE/logs/chatlogs/, and the file will be called 'Local_[number]_[number].txt. If you use the 'Search' function in Windows from within that folder, you can generally find a file from a piece of chat - in this case you could find the relevant Local log by searching for 'We support the demise of those who afk mine'. Copying and pasting the contents of that log is generally a lot more user-friendly than posting images - it's easier, too.

Next, I understand that Agent Stanislav called you out in Local for not having a mining permit. He was right; you need to reinvest some of your shares into a permit.

Agent Stanislav then accused you of being in violation of the Code. Of course, you didn't have a permit, but Stanislav seems to have accepted your status as Shareholder in lieu of that. Therefore you must have been doing something else. The logs don't show it, but perhaps you showed disrespect towards the Father of the New Order, or towards the Code itself or the New Order? If so, then that is a clear violation of the Code. The other possibility is that you were AFK mining. As you know, a mining permit does not allow you to break the Code, and AFK mining is one of the most severe infractions against the Code that there is. Perhaps you could elaborate as to how you were breaking the Code?

You mention in the fifth (by my understanding of the correct order) screenshot that you 'asked a legitimate question', but I don't see it recorded in your pictures. Perhaps you should ask it again here, that I might answer it more satisfactorily than Agent Stanislav.

Finally, in the third screenshot, Stanislav says 'I grow weary of your fraud attempts'. presumably this means taht you had spoken before, but it isn't shown. Perhaps you could tell us what happened there?

That's OK! I didn't intend for you to read it, as demonstrated by the line "Hi there SinTeryx."

Luckily SinTeryx actually seems to be literate, so hopefully she is capable of reading and understanding my response.

yeh nah your signature, not your wall of text.

This wiki page details how to find logs on Mac OS X. Hopefully that's helpful.

As for dropping the mining business; great idea! In fact, the New Order offers a quick-start PVP program where we get you into a Catalyst and shooting Mackinaws in under a day of skill training! Have you ever felt resentment for those huge mackinaws and hulks that just idle in belts all day harvesting ore while you labour in your tiny Venture? Now's the chance to get your revenge! And Agents are much more fun to talk to than miners.

Having read the entire chatlog, I'd say that you mostly acted correctly. Unfortunately you were mistaken that Shareholders are automatically Permit Holders, so the Agents were right in that regard. It would also be best to remain polite in general; while the Agents may have been overstating your rudeness, you did lose your calm a little.

Oh, so to clarify, you quoted my post, then said 'u tryin to hard m8', but that was about my signature, rather than about my post as the quoted text would generally indicate. Then, in the same sentence (if it could be called that), you wrote 'tl;dr', but that was about my post?

OK.

Heh yea I tried that wiki pages but for some reason my searches keep coming up blank.

I did loose my calm...but only after being called a liar and a scammer. I wasn't mistaken I just asked if they were considered part of the mining license...I just wanted clarification. Thank you for the response, however this whole experience has left me with a bad taste.