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Manufacturing in null

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Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#1 - 2013-02-06 11:05:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Nad'x Hapax
Ok so Im not very well informed about manufacturing in null so here we go:



  • Are there NPC stations in NPC territory? And if yes, do they work the same way as in High?



  • Manufacture things like JFs, cant be done in a station right?



  • Is it possible to anchor a pos in a big alliances territory (if blue or a member) solo? Or do the alliances claim every right to moons and things like that?



  • If possible, is it fairly safe to anchor a POS deep in blue null?



Also apply these questions to WH corps!

Thanks
Dar Saleem
VDD Logistics
#2 - 2013-02-06 11:14:03 UTC
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
Ok so Im not very well informed about manufacturing in null so here we go:



  • Are there NPC stations in NPC territory? And if yes, do they work the same way as in High?



  • Manufacture things like JFs, cant be done in a station right?



  • Is it possible to anchor a pos in a big alliances territory (if blue or a member) solo? Or do the alliances claim every right to moons and things like that?



  • If possible, is it fairly safe to anchor a POS deep in blue null?



Also apply these questions to WH corps!

Thanks


Yes
No Afaik
No Anchoring a pos, they get a mail and will probably come and pop it if you dont have permission
Yes
Zifrian
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#3 - 2013-02-06 12:08:55 UTC
Not sure what your terms mean. Blue null? That to me means an alliance we have friendly relations with.

If you are just talking about NPC space, then maybe but you need to be able to defend yourself. Not to mention logistics and the availability of materials to manufacture with. Moons with anything of value will likely be taken by someone already.

It sounds like what you are ultimately asking is, can I go to nullsec with me and my alts (or my small corp that doesn't want to join an alliance) put up my own pos, mine, and manufacture in the station for isks?

I'm sure you can, but there are 1000 reasons why you can't or won't.

Chief among them is alliances won't let you and if you did set up a POS, they'll pop it without an agreement between you and said alliance. Not to mention that even if you were to get an agreement, you would have to pay renting costs...of which can be voided at any time.

In a wormhole, a corp usually "owns" the system by having a pos or multiple pos's in the system. If you set it up, they will either siege it or just block you from being able to leave and refuel it. So you need an agreement with that WH corp or you need to find an empty WH to set up and then defend (Usually having a pos is enough to deter people from dumping one in there too).

Manufacturing/Industry in null isn't a huge money maker unless you spend a lot of time figuring out all the details. Even then it's a bit of work.

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Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#4 - 2013-02-06 12:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nad'x Hapax
Zifrian wrote:
Not sure what your terms mean. Blue null? That to me means an alliance we have friendly relations with.

If you are just talking about NPC space, then maybe but you need to be able to defend yourself. Not to mention logistics and the availability of materials to manufacture with. Moons with anything of value will likely be taken by someone already.

It sounds like what you are ultimately asking is, can I go to nullsec with me and my alts (or my small corp that doesn't want to join an alliance) put up my own pos, mine, and manufacture in the station for isks?

I'm sure you can, but there are 1000 reasons why you can't or won't.

Chief among them is alliances won't let you and if you did set up a POS, they'll pop it without an agreement between you and said alliance. Not to mention that even if you were to get an agreement, you would have to pay renting costs...of which can be voided at any time.

In a wormhole, a corp usually "owns" the system by having a pos or multiple pos's in the system. If you set it up, they will either siege it or just block you from being able to leave and refuel it. So you need an agreement with that WH corp or you need to find an empty WH to set up and then defend (Usually having a pos is enough to deter people from dumping one in there too).

Manufacturing/Industry in null isn't a huge money maker unless you spend a lot of time figuring out all the details. Even then it's a bit of work.



Ok so what I take from this is that I should just abandon the idea of a POS in null. I also realised that I cant have a personal POS while being in a null sec alliance. But how about a small WH (dont really know what else to call it)? Are there WH that wont let bigger combat ships through? In this case I should be able to establish a large POS with defences and feel reasonable confortable? What Im asking is:
is it possible to find a WH where I should be able to feel reasonable safe with a large POS and still be able to move large quantities of materials and finished products (AKA a freighter)?
Rutger Janssen
Chanuur
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-02-06 12:55:44 UTC
You CAN build a freighter and jump freighter in stations.

As for pos in nullsec, only do it if the system owner explicitly allows you to.

There are wormholes that don't allow to jump in capitals, but they also don't allow freighters afaik, but you're still vulnerable to battleship fleets.
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#6 - 2013-02-06 13:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Nad'x Hapax
Rutger Janssen wrote:
You CAN build a freighter and jump freighter in stations.

As for pos in nullsec, only do it if the system owner explicitly allows you to.

There are wormholes that don't allow to jump in capitals, but they also don't allow freighters afaik, but you're still vulnerable to battleship fleets.



Hey Rutger! Knew that is's possible to build freighters in stations but not JF. Would that include Highsec aswell?

@ anyone. Are there actually ways of making isk in null, for someone who dont want to do the dirtywork for big corporation? Possibly work for a big corp (or WH corp) but make good isk on it and not just mine or "build 100 drakes for 50mil profit because u should know your place"?

Same question for Highsec. Seems like its always "mine this or leave!" kinda crap.
Rengerel en Distel
#7 - 2013-02-06 13:10:28 UTC
The easiest way would be to start your own corp, then join the alliance with that corp. That way you can set up your own POS without worrying about others in the corp stopping the jobs, etc.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#8 - 2013-02-06 13:14:15 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
The easiest way would be to start your own corp, then join the alliance with that corp. That way you can set up your own POS without worrying about others in the corp stopping the jobs, etc.



Are we talking null? I have enough to manage in my one man corp (multiple alts though). I simply dont have the time. Should be alliances out there who might be interested in a dedicated manufacturer like myself?
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-02-06 19:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
If you already have access to researched BPOs or BPCs of the stuff you want to build all you really need is an Amarr factory outpost near a Minmatar services outpost, some trade skills, a blockade runner/jump freighter, and some startup capital. In fact, if you don't mind paying other ppl to haul the minerals to the factory for you then you don't even need the hauler/freighter.

For the solo player all POSs are really good for are research jobs and getting shot at IMO. Unless you need the moon goo for T2 production.

Of course, keeping expensive researched BPOs in a conquerable null sec station might not be the best idea. But then you need to haul in new BPCs periodically.