EVE General Discussion

Because balance changes are done for a reason. Why spend time worrying about whether or not it's safe to keep the old version around (for example, a ship that gets nerfed can't have the pre-nerf version stick around) just so a handful of collectors can spin a terrible ship in their hangar? Sure, in some cases it might be fine, but you need a consistent policy that can handle ALL changes, not just the one ship you want to keep. For example, how do you draw the line between "getting nerfed, but safe to keep a collector version" and "nerfed and not safe"? What counts as a sufficiently large change to make a new version, only weapon changes or should you get a new version if a slot gets moved (or even if some trivial thing happens like +50 shield HP on a battleship)? What happens if you make a change later on that breaks something with one of the old collector ships, do you spend time trying to fix everything to account for them, or do you just (finally) delete the old version and replace them all with the current one? Etc.

in short, it just makes things more complicated and it adds nothing to the game.



Because there's no point. You might have an argument if we were talking about a good ship that people are going to miss, but the Cyclone is garbage right now and has nowhere to go but up. The only people who would care about having the old one are a few stubborn collectors who can't stand to see change, and there's no point in wasting time on such a small audience.

And the same is true for role changes in the past. If you look at the history of these changes you'll find that it isn't popular well-balanced ships getting changed, it's the ships that suck and don't get used finally getting a purpose. For example, the only people who would want to have a pre-missile Khanid ship back are the most dedicated collectors.

Actually pigeon holing is used to cut costs and mostly by lazy developers, the less you can fit effectively on a ship, the less CCP needs to balance. Its not about been balanced, many ships were balanced already but were changed, to make it easy for them.

We pay good money, it shouldn't be easy, it should however be fun, CCP has forgotten that their cash cow is a game, not a money printing machine that you do the barest minimum of maintenance on (to save money).

so they are starting to change ships AWAY from the model of tiers which for the last 10 years has proven to be a COMPLETE failure, and after less than 6 months (6 months in which the tierless system has proven to work wonders), you want them to ditch the new model and go back to the old **** one?

no, go away. the tier system was a disaster, only one tier was used, if any.

No, pretty much always been like this.

Because of Fal- Drake

Old drake is "better"
New drake is balanced

Just because you don't see the balance issues in other ships doesn't mean they're not there.

You keep saying lazy developers but there's no evidence that this is the case.

They're not reusing models, so if they wanted to they could just make up a new name and put the new model and configuration in that way.

You've got it backwards, just chucking in a new ship rather than fixing up all of the crud that built up over the first 5 years of amateur game design would be lazy.

They could always add a sub-system slot to T1 ships and and appropriate sub-systems to emphasize on the versatility T1 ships were supposed to have.

The technology for this already exists, it'd only need database entries to implement. Relatively cheap in development resources.

Hrm... Sorry guys, try looking outside of your little box for a second, I'm not asking for variants of ships that were buffed/nerfed but kept their intended role. I am asking for variants of ships that have had their roles completely change. E.g. Gun ship to Missile ship, Tracking link bonus to shield rep bonus.

Significant changes that weren't about the ship been too good, maybe not as good but certainly significantly different that there would be people who would have preferred the older design. If you are unable to see the positive things in this then I can't help you, heck I dare say noone can help you.

The amount of ignorance he displays is quite entertaining.

Not even talking about the rest ...

Before CCP adds new ships, they need to re-balance the out-dated ones. What you call lazy design would be more like keeping the same hull graphic and re-using it over and over.