Ships & Modules

The burst could use some love..

Yeah, I cringe every time I look at it. For some reason, it reminds me of like a... space plow... you know... they get heavy snowfall in the Domain region and then the Minmatar dispatch the Talwar to clear the space lanes and make sure accidents are kept at a minimum? You don't want to see a Iteron Mk V jack knifing as it comes at you from out of warp.

Bolded the essential part for giggles :p


Personally, I'm a HUGE fan of the new Stabby and Vargur. However I honestly believe that general Minmatar looks are fine. Reaper, Thrasher, Cyclone, Hurricane, Talwar and similar are all ok. However, I do agree that there are minmatar ships that need major redesigns / updates. Take for instance Rupture, Typhoon, Burst and place them next to their sexier counterparts - their texture and model quality is far worse. The same goes for their industrials - all three look like someone threw together a bunch of cardboxes, tied them together with wire and painted it all with rust. They need an update. Perhaps not Stabber level update, but at least talwarification :)

*cough* Dragoon also looks crap, or at least lazy design as it's so similar to the Coercer.

And yes the Vargur looks amazing now but I'm kinda hesitant to let designers loose on the ship hulls, CCP hasn't shown a lot of care in the past when it comes to design language.

I see this said quite a bit, but I just don't see it. True, they both have frontal extensions arching downwards and they're both elongated horizontal designs, but that's where similarities end.

If you'll look at the Coercer, you'll see that the ship has two hulls on port and starboard side, joined by middle structure. At no point do the two hulls merge into a single section, nor is there any prevaling central structure - in fact, the mid section is separated along the way, leaving a gaping hole half way through the ship. Even the engines are separately carried by the left and the right hull, while the connecting section has none.

Dragoon is far boxier. The primary middle section carries engines and extends into the front, then the extended golden armor is added on top. If you'll look at this armor, you'll notice that unlike on Coercer, the frontal top armor joins about half way and then runs half way through the ship length, where it merges with the aft (engine) section. Point of balance is decisively lower than on the Coercer, which also translates into different engine placement due to different thrust requirements.

All in all, I really don't think they're any more similar than, say, Hoarder and Mammoth or Kestrel and Manticore.



Don't look at it as "mixed armament" - it's not. They're alternatives, either one or the other, because you're ment to use neuts in the rest of the slots. If you'll look at the Amarr T1 drone ships, they all carry this characteristic - Inquisitor, Dragoon, Arbitrator and soon Prophecy all have alternate weapon types. I guess this is done to tie in the Khanid missile ships without giving Amarr a dedicated T1 missile line.

Since the update, I find the Tempest/Vargur bearable to witness.

And the Vagabond has become a personal favourite of mine, and I fly it all the time. I could never force myself to buy the old model at all

I hope some other terrible Minmatar designs get the same treatment.

Specially the Rupture, easily the hull I hate the most in all of EvE.

I seem to be the only one that misses the old style Stabber and Vagabond.

New ones look too slick and styled, Minmitar ships are supposed to be ramshackle and loosly bolted together.

Dragoon looks like a Coercer that got fat.

I like the Talwar, looks like some sort of amazon rainforest fish that swims up your Pee-hole and lodges itself there.


For nostalga's sake, the old Stabber and Vagabond.

Stabber 2048

Vagabond 2048

Hah. I'm sold.

Old ones looks way more minmatarish, space mexicans could never have build the new vaga.

I believe they will probably rerun a few of the Minmatar line as the ships themselves get updated during the rebalance. But I doubt there will be as many major changes to most of them as there was to the Stabber and Vaga.

Ships I think DO need a major structural rework:

• Bellicose: Looks like it has stilts with ice skates on them. Also: RAM EM WITH THE COCKPIT.
• Scythe: Looks almost the same as the Belli, with randomer panels. Also: RAM EM WITH THE COCKPIT.
• Burst: I love the hodge-podge, but with a new role (logi) should come some sort of... design intent.
• Typhoon: The cylinders welded to each other works for me. Except for: RAM EM WITH THE SENSOR MASTS.