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Death penalties in eve
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Assgiggles
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-06 08:40:19 UTC
I think in eve death is too forgiving and not very realistic. When a player gets podded they should have to start a new character. It would be more fun that way.


Thank you for your support.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-06 08:46:39 UTC
This feature already exists in the game and it's called biomassing your character. You should go biomass yourself immediately, so you won't miss out on all that fun you were talking about.

Glad to be of help.
Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-02-06 08:47:38 UTC
It might be fun for the brand new players but I'm sure the people who have been playing for like 10 years might get a little upset.

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]
Assgiggles
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-06 08:51:59 UTC
Sasha Khaine wrote:
It might be fun for the brand new players but I'm sure the people who have been playing for like 10 years might get a little upset.


But I thought eve was supposed to be harsh and unforgiving. It does not quite live up to its reputation
Qaidan Alenko
Eezo-Lution Inc.
#5 - 2013-02-06 08:52:48 UTC
Sasha Khaine wrote:
It might be fun for the brand new players but I'm sure the people who have been playing for like 10 years might get a little upset.

But just think... All of those Capitals out there and no one to pilot them... Twisted
Go ahead... Get your Wham on!!!
Assgiggles
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-06 08:53:53 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
This feature already exists in the game and it's called biomassing your character. You should go biomass yourself immediately, so you won't miss out on all that fun you were talking about.

Glad to be of help.


Thats not how my idea goes. Please re-read.
Qaidan Alenko
Eezo-Lution Inc.
#7 - 2013-02-06 08:54:34 UTC
Assgiggles wrote:
Sasha Khaine wrote:
It might be fun for the brand new players but I'm sure the people who have been playing for like 10 years might get a little upset.


But I thought eve was supposed to be harsh and unforgiving. It does not quite live up to its reputation

Try telling that to the newish person who gets shafted when he loses the ship he spent months scaping and saving for...
Go ahead... Get your Wham on!!!
Assgiggles
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-06 08:57:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Assgiggles
Qaidan Alenko wrote:
Assgiggles wrote:
Sasha Khaine wrote:
It might be fun for the brand new players but I'm sure the people who have been playing for like 10 years might get a little upset.


But I thought eve was supposed to be harsh and unforgiving. It does not quite live up to its reputation

Try telling that to the newish person who gets shafted when he loses the ship he spent months scaping and saving for...


No. it is only if he is podded

oh I see what you mean. well. there is insurance
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#9 - 2013-02-06 09:06:47 UTC
CODE would approve of this. They'd win the war on bots in no time.
Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-02-06 09:09:20 UTC
I agree the profile of OP looks like a troll
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-06 13:10:37 UTC
HARD. CORE. Seems like a good idea. I can't see the downside.

To all the bittervets that will run to this thread to whine about losing 10+ years worth of SP and trillions of ISK every time they have a little oopsie in space: ADAPT OR DIE. Or die, then adapt. To starting over with nothing.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#12 - 2013-02-06 15:31:06 UTC
Yeah, I don't think this foolish idea has been even half thought out.

Have fun with your 'death penalty' when station campers realize they can just blap you into total reset the first time you undock your shiny new character. I hope you like playing Character Creator Online.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-06 15:42:38 UTC
Have fun flying frigates with meta 4 modules, oh and never seeing a person in null sec again.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#14 - 2013-02-06 15:44:58 UTC
I agree, never had so much fun as training half a dozen alts upto semi decent skills can't wait to do that all over again... and again... and again oh the fun. Wait I have a day job for that.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-02-06 15:52:54 UTC
Assgiggles wrote:
Thank you for your support.

No worries mate
Niveuss Nye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-02-06 16:26:06 UTC
Obvious troll is obvious...

But, there is some lore for this. I remember reading somewhere of pod pilots being "murdered" by intercepting the brain signal to thier clone.

....and nothing is ever said about these NPC schools that basically enable immortality of a sort. What is thier agenda for keeping folks alive that they can not control or may even do things against such agenda?
FoxFire Ayderan
#17 - 2013-02-06 20:08:10 UTC
Clearly the OP is being facetious.

However, CCP could make the death penalty more harsh. Instead of simply losing 20% of the difference in Skill Points from how many SP your clone has and how many SP you died with, they could make it so that you lose 100% of the difference.

Have 20 million Skill Points and you didn't upgrade your clone after your last podding, so you only have an Alpha (900,000 SP) clone.... well you lose 19,100,000 Skill Points.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-06 20:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Clearly the OP is being facetious.

However, CCP could make the death penalty more harsh. Instead of simply losing 20% of the difference in Skill Points from how many SP your clone has and how many SP you died with, they could make it so that you lose 100% of the difference.

Have 20 million Skill Points and you didn't upgrade your clone after your last podding, so you only have an Alpha (900,000 SP) clone.... well you lose 19,100,000 Skill Points.

And this is why the skillpoint loss mechanic is largely an irrelevant penalty. It only affects the ones who forget to update their clone, so almost no one even knows the actual penalty of dying in an outdated clone. There simply is no reason to ever not use an up to date clone and it brings nothing good to the gameplay, so the payment might as well be automated.

You don't lose 20% of the difference in Skill Points from how many SP your clone saves and how many SP you died with. You lose 5% of the difference at maximum and it will be taken from the skill you had the most SP in. It's also capped so that you can't lose more then 50% of your SP in the skill that suffers the penalty. The thing is this almost never happens to anyone no matter how much they die. That's why it's not really a death penalty, but more of a penalty for forgetting to do a routine procedure.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#19 - 2013-02-06 21:11:48 UTC
^^ Yup SP loss is pretty pointless, incidental amounts are at best a minor frustration the rare time they happen and if someone did die and lose 19,000,000 SP you can pretty much guarantee they'd quit the game and that doesn't work in anyones favor.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-02-06 21:17:13 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Clearly the OP is being facetious.

However, CCP could make the death penalty more harsh. Instead of simply losing 20% of the difference in Skill Points from how many SP your clone has and how many SP you died with, they could make it so that you lose 100% of the difference.

Have 20 million Skill Points and you didn't upgrade your clone after your last podding, so you only have an Alpha (900,000 SP) clone.... well you lose 19,100,000 Skill Points.

And this is why the skillpoint loss mechanic is largely an irrelevant penalty. It only affects the ones who forget to update their clone, so almost no one even knows the actual penalty of dying in an outdated clone. There simply is no reason to ever not use an up to date clone and it brings nothing good to the gameplay, so the payment might as well be automated.

You don't lose 20% of the difference in Skill Points from how many SP your clone saves and how many SP you died with. You lose 5% of the difference at maximum and it will be taken from the skill you had the most SP in. It's also capped so that you can't lose more then 50% of your SP in the skill that suffers the penalty. The thing is this almost never happens to anyone no matter how much they die. That's why it's not really a death penalty, but more of a penalty for forgetting to do a routine procedure.

so what your saying is, instead of routinely going to the doctor for a check-up, i should just leave a key under my doormat so he can come in at night and do his thing while i sleep, take the money from my wallet, and leave? leaving me with only a phantom sense of humiliation and a curiously empty wallet?
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