EVE General Discussion

Never pointed to suicide ganks at any point myself, but I will point out its an example of high sec ganking not being meant to be all that profitable by design. All I see from your thoughts is asking to be able to bribe to game to gank whoever you feel like at the time, which isn't a viable gameplay mechanic, its being a ****.

Didn't bother reading all 16 pages, just skimmed though patches.

I was in Red Frog at one point, its a nice laid-back corp. The thing that needs to be understood is that corps like RFF and how they operate are about *casual* gameplay. Hard-core players forget that there are subscribers that want to enjoy Eve is a laid-back casual way.

One of the beauties of Eve, and something that was a focal point in its original development, is that it offers a variety of gameplay styles to fit the player, from the ultra-casual to the ultra-hard-core-like-a-2nd-job-fanatic-player and everything in between. Some hard-core players for some reason get all whiny and pouty when they see some players not playing Eve in the same way they do.

Get over it.

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How is suicide ganking not profitable? the 'profit' is solely determined by the value the pilot has willingly put in the ship vs. EHP. Reworded, you're saying a mechanic where a T1 thrasher can take out a noobship filled with dozens of PLEX "isn't profitable". I'm sure the thrasher pilot would disagree. A suicide gank happens when the recipient makes a pilot error in calculating the worth of his cargo vs. the cost of the ships required to destroy it. A wardec gank happens when the defender makes a pilot error in not being able to defend himself from a clearly notified attack.

All I see from your thoughts is someone who thinks highsec = consensual PvP. Which makes as much sense as supporting a "consensual market" where I pay what I feel what is a fair price for others' work.

Well, that'd be because the person transporting PLEX is an idiot. Idiocy would very much fit under the profitable category. And guess what. To not be curbstomped by CONCORD? It largely is consensual. Deal with it. Part of the game. The exception being if you are in a player corp. Anything you ask for that's going to change that isn't in the realm of reasonable. You want things to be more entertaining? Suggest things that make it so without forcing people to deal with everyone else's pettiness.



Oh hey, guess what, its that individuals choice if he wants to do something crazy like that. His choice, crazy, huh? Plus corps give access to a lot of cool benefits. In fact, I'd dare say they have a lot more of an effect on the economic state of things than individuals do on their own. Individuals can do a lot of the same things, sure, but not nearly as efficiently. You just won't be happy unless you can blast people back down to their rookie ships and then quit.

Right, as it is his choice to defend himself if he was on the receiving end of the wardec, or do any number of available options and choices given to him after the goto corphop and NPC corp options were removed. Crazy, huh? As El Digin established, the best benefit a player corp could possible offer is wardec immunity, if one's goal is to grind isk risk free, the definition of 'efficiency'. You just won't be happy until forcing newbies and casuals to try and outgrind 100-man multibox fleets with no content, and emergent content is dead in the name of Trammel-ized EVE. This assigning attributes thing is fun.

It's not an oversight. CCP design totally allows mutual wardecs to function perfectly. It also allows an attacker vs willing defendant situation perfectly.
What it does not allow is "spawn camping" which some people seem to be so keen of and what has proved year after year and MMO after MMO to be a playerbase destroyer.
I know you guys don't give a damn about this, but CCP does.

Nope, I'm perfectly happy with there being more potential benefit with more risk. Just no one should cater to directly petty attitudes like what you want ends up rewarding. Should be more to it. You want to go after someone you don't like? Build up enough isk where you can outlast them and suicide gank all you want. You want more really cool and high value rewards for large corps who can't avoid wardecs or that can essentially be able to take those from them if they do, great. You want to kill whoever you feel like without consequence in high sec because a few people have alts? Something that really can't be effectively be dealt with? Well, that's a personal issue. Heck, I'd be for having to manually call CONCORD even if that's what they wanted to do. I'm all for risk vs reward. I'm all for making it risky to contract for wardecced corps among other things. There's a lot of things I'm for, just not your way.

All you people who think nerfing NPC corps would be good for EVE must be smoking some good ****. I don't think CCP would risk losing a large portion of the subscriber base in order to make a bunch of griefers happy. NPC are pretty lively quite a few members in each fill up the chat talking to eachother. Just because they can't be war decced doesn't mean they can't be ganked.

Its not a level playing field though. I mean, unless you're asking to remove high tech ships too. Not to mention NPC corps are the most widely spread out of any corp since they roam more freely rather than most. A playing field isn't level until its level in ALL things except skill (which will be argued still by some and often addressed by skill tiers in some games). Even if a group of NPC corp members banded together, its pretty likely they'd be extremely outmatched. Even against equal numbers, as I almost guarantee that the player corp players are far more likely to be able to bring T2s, T3s and pirate ships to the table.

Heck, they're more likely to get a blob together too.

Why should PVP corps be unable to declare war on market competitors? You do know that CCP has commented repeatedly about wardeccing a mining corp to drive up mineral prices, or remove them from competition with you. You know that quite a few PVP corps have mining corps that they work with, right? We just keep them in a separate corp so that they are not under wardec at all times, tho they are in a corp which can be wardecced(at which point the PVP side joins in as an ally to fight the war).

This is working as intended. Maybe your mining corp should create a partnership with a PVP corp for mutual benefits?