EVE General Discussion

Stopped reading right there.

Is $15 too much for you a month? Then you have no business playing MMORPGs. Go get a job.

Frankly, I'm sick of the same tired arguments coming up again and again.

1. I'm not interested in discussing whether the subscription model for EVE is outdated. CCP can take Rai Stones in payment for all I care. I merely noted Forbes commented on the matter. Way to stay on topic.

2. Linux was already gaining ground in traditional desktop environments BEFORE Windows 8. I fully expect my current PC to be the last Windows PC I will ever own, and possibly last PC I will ever own. Linux is ALREADY the world's most ubiquitous operating system, running on everything from servers to consoles to Android phones. Linux didn't need to conquer the desktop to conquer the world; the world simply found something better, and it happened to use Linux - or at least its kernel.

3. Given the dismay with which gamers and developers alike greeted Windows 8, it's already safe to bet we'll see more PC titles released for Linux in the coming years. The stability, customization, and spectacular performance of Linux is something the PC gaming community sorely needs, and now seems prepared to accept.

4. No, the PC will never go away - just as shortwave radio never went away. But they will no longer be "personal computers". They will simply be full-sized computers, often hand-built by hobbyists, gamers, and power users - those with the money, knowledge, and enthusiasm for expensive and exotic components.

5. "Normal" people will embrace the burgeoning power, capacity, and flexibility of mobile devices. These devices will satisfy the needs of average users, adapting, connecting, and updating seamlessly as they move from place to place and task to task. How exactly they adapt to replace PCs is less relevant than the fact that they are doing it. Average users of the future will have no more need for a full-size PC than they have need for a phone book today.

6. This transforming digital landscape offers no room for a game like EVE-Online, at least in its current form. EVE will become a relic of the last decade, treasured by enthusiasts and elitists, but generally ignored by the mainstream gaming market. The time to address and plan for this future is now, but CCP seems more content to play with criminal flags and hand out donut holders. What's wrong with this picture?

2. Linux is a tiny player in the mobile environment. Android and even iOS is utterly curb stomping Linux when it comes to the mobile market.Yes we're aware that ANdroid is based on the linux kernal but following that logic you would say that OSX and iOS are linux too (they use highly modified Unix kernals). The only place that Linux itself has a large userbase is with servers.



3. That's always been a safe bet as so few games are released for linux that it's inevitable that the numbers should climb some. You're barking up the wrong tree if you think you can run a PR campaign to make win 8 out to be a horrible OS. Win XP has only recently dropped below 40% market share. Windows 7 of course is the OS that replaced XP as the majority choice of flavor for windows. Even if win 8 is the worst thing since microsoft bob you're not going to make all those win 7 installs disappear.



4.We can agree here as the definition of a personal computer is always shifting as technology advances.



5. Well our definition of a full sized PC has shifted over the years..


6. HAHA now you sound like the people proclaiming the death of the video game industry in the 80s....

You mean we'll see more titles released for windows 7, just like how gamers hated vista and kept their XP systems instead of changing to linux. You know that upgrades aren't mandatory, right?



And business. People who have to use a PC for work aren't going to switch to iWhatevers any time in the foreseeable future. So when you combine the people who have a computer for work and the people who want a PC for other reasons (including complete dominance of the gaming market outside of solitaire and facebook games) you have plenty of market to support the PC industry.



You mean by connecting a keyboard/mouse/monitor/speakers/etc to their mobile device and turning it into a PC with low-end hardware? The simple fact is that a mobile device is worthless for doing anything but checking your email and playing facebook games, it's a nice replacement for your old phone but it's never going to do any serious work or gaming. So for the foreseeable future we're going to have PCs, or things that are functionally equivalent to PCs.


PS: a PC is not defined by "that big box that sits under your desk". If you use a sensible definition (IOW based on its function, not how it looks) a PC is defined by its interface, operating system, hardware capabilities, etc. So a "mobile device" running windows that comes with a keyboard/mouse/monitor and has decent hardware specs is going to run EVE just like a current PC. Merely changing the name from "PC" to "iThing" is irrelevant.



Blah blah blah more marketing nonsense. It's very easy to write grammatically correct but information-free sentences about "the transforming digital landscape" but it's a lot harder to say WHY things are going to change. So far all you've done is confuse "I can play solitaire on the bus" with "I found my new gaming system to replace EVE".

You're forgetting the little fact that releasing Win8 doesn't make the older versions to automagically disappear into thin air. People will be using older version until a suitable replacement is found. This has already happened, at least twice - in 2000 when Windows ME was released, people stayed with the Win98SE, and in 2007 with Windows Vista, when people clung on to their XP installations, and some even still do to date. Markets didn't change much back then, why should they do now? As far as i can see, the only thing that can actually rip the PC dominance from windows is an utter ****-up on microsoft's part and a new strong opponent OS that has the compatibility with existant windows-platform software. And so far i doubt any of those are going to happen in the foreseeable future.


Ofcourse PC will never go away. There will always be requirements for certain business activities that require a stationary workplace with high processing power, familiar and comfortable interfaces, something that PC does very well. Yes, mobile technologies will grow in power and prolification, will most likely creep in on the traditional PC segment, just like Laptops/Notebooks did in the last few decades, yet even those closest competitors did not kill the PC, so i certainly doubt more mobile devices, like tablets, phones, you name it, will.
The shape of the PC as we know will change over time, adopting new technologies, shedding off the old ones (floppies, anyone?), they even may not hold the title of a PC any longer, but all-in-all, the PC as we know it is here to stay. And so is the PC gaming. Because if you own a powerful hardware station you work on, why wouldn't you play games on it in the spare time?
And, by the way, you know the reason why PC sales look to be smaller than those of laptops? Because people usually buy them complete, but there is no proven techhnique to trace the number of sold PCs, because they are sold in many different ways: people are buying separate parts to build their own, buy on-site built pcs from local stores and only a few are actually buying the complete OEM-made systems. And only the latter category actually can be properly traced and quantified, unless you want to run around all of the local stores and ask about how many own-built PCs they have sold.


There is no such thing as a "normal" person. Sure, we can try and pigeonhole everyone into categories, but the whole definition of "normality" changes with time, and in fact does so very rapidly. What is considered "normal" nowadays could have been considered outlandish just a few decades ago. Multi-purpose devices are on the rise nowadays, but there can never be a device that can do everything. Sure, mobile devices and mobile gaming is on the rise now, but it does so mostly at no or minimal impact on the other ones, as users are not restricted to one platform specifically.

I keep wondering what the OP is smoking are what got into his head. the Desk Top PC will be around for a very very long time. it will see many changes in the future. for tablets and the like its an awesome. they possess many uses. it is clearly obvious you are tablet fanboy. what color is your tablet? Pink?

Seriously. There is so much going on in the industry for advancing computer technology whther it be a desktop, laptop, tablet. the technology is advancing to a point where CCP possibly has been working on new code and arch layout for Eve that would make implementing new expansions and or patches which would require EVERYONE to down load the version of Eve where the path toy will not work.

So Mr loser Op. nifty things your saying. funny how a Desktop has a better life span then your silly laptop or tablet. yeah quick blowing smoke.

CCP does as CCP does. For those who have been here for ages and were beta babies you know this is true. we do not hold our breath and many of you cry like babies cause Billy took your ball away and kicked sand in your face.

have fun kids

I see now it was a fallacious waste of effort to post this discussion on a forum inhabited overwhelmingly by Windows PC diehards. It's kind of like going to a convention of wheelwrights and predicting the end of the horse and buggy. I love PCs as much as anyone, but I can also look ahead and see the future of computing lies elsewhere.

Welcome to the forums. If you cant handle people disagreeing with you, you may want to find another outlet for your manifesto.

It seems you weren't interested in discussion at all, but rather expected people to accept your suppositions uncritically without question.

Speaking of fallacies, rather glaringly one stuck out in particular - lauding the 122 million number without context. Absent was any mention that these tablets/smartphones are discarded at nearly same rate they are purchased.

Or implying smartphones (probably about 80%+ of these ARM sales) are somehow a substitute good for a PC, when really only a tablet is, and only for those with rather basic/limited needs.

OP seems to be one of the bunch that predicted an end of the world on Dec 21st 2012. Now, since that didn't happen, he's on to predicting the end of PCs...