Market Discussions

1) Make an Alt account.

Start an Alt account, and train (from scratch) a Trader, it takes a few weeks from no SP to being actually usefull. create 2 other characters with similar names on the same account (ill explain why soon)

The naming of the character. be smart about this, and use "all-american" or quarterback names, theres a guy running a ponzi atm with a 3 word all american name, its going pretty good for him i think.

no-one gonna give is to a guy named XxXxXFrAGyYouXxXXX be smart about it, all american.

-complete the sisters of eve epic arc (its actually fun) (google if you don;t know it)
-Get the right skills.
-Accounting 5, Broker relations 5, retail 5 + wholesale. try get over 100 order slots.
-Send no mails/contracts/player donations to this account. from your main.
- grab 2 plex cards via website with the new account (scrub) or via in game isk from your main, put them in your cargo hold of a tanked t3 or freighter, form a fleet & drop the plex in a container, (no api record) loot it with the trader, then go sell it. trader can insta-dock and sell them, for less risk use a hub like Hek/dodo.
- TRADE IN SPACE BETWEEN YOUR ACCOUNTS.



While you are skilling up, post on the MD forums, don't spam, just reply with advice, useful tips, stay away from any thread were there is an argument, never get on one side or another, always remain totally neutral, by avoiding arguments. (you do-not want someone's butthurt alt coming into a thread and challenge you. in the future)

Lurk around and find out who is who, regular posters here, are often respected with-out question.

2) Start trading

Once you have the skills, grab half your 1b (500m) & trade your ass off. with 500m you can turn it into about 750 very quickly, i repeat for this fleece to work, you will need to show trading background. the idea is to create as many transaction logs as possible.

3) The mythical "Audit"

Approach " VV " ( Vaerah Vahrokha ) in game, he is italian, so if you aren;t in the timezone, try to be on the weekend of w/e

Ask him for a "performance audit", give him the FULL API key (all 3 characters), tell him you just started & only have one account for now, if he asks about alts, pretend to be Naive and "I didn't think alts were allowed" mention you played WoW & you are "Gold capped" if yiou have played it, if not just play dumb, again play to his vanitys.


- he will ask some questions, the key one, the one that matters is, (where did you get the 500m from>?) to which you answer:
"when i started i bought 2 plex from the website, i didn't like mining, and was fascinated by the market, after trade im training for a Freighter" (keep skilling it into trade related crap)
- avoid talking about RL stock markets like the plague.
- kiss his ass a little, play to his vanity, that's his weakness, a sweet talker/butt-kisser.

After he is done, he will sperg more about himself than you, so don't worry too much about the outcome, no-one actually reads what he says, they just see VV/audit & start throwing money at you.

4) Launching the Bond/scam

After about a month of trading, launch your Bond thread.
- Numbers talk, BS walks.
- Show as many screenshots as possible of your wallet/journal any program's you are using to track profits. people will argue they are fake, but its better to argue a picture being fake than withholding any information.
- Link the Audit in the OP
- mention your NAV is around 1.1b w.e (show it in the screenshots)
- Make it a 2 week term, for 2b, or w/e your NAV is.
- Offer 10% interest

Avoid arguing with skeptics, better to bombard with info (like a good lawyer would) than to expose any shortcomings.

After your first bond is done, you can either get another performance audit (to prove you are profitable) or just go ahead and launch into the next.

2b
5b
10b
20b

Are the logical steps upwards, remember, getting the performance audits will enable you to get isk.

If you have to wait a week or 2 for VV to clear his imaginary schedule, offer him 100m for a quick check.

Good luck.

Always remember auditors want you to pass the audit. If they complete the audit they get credibility, if they trash the audit they never get asked again.

As long as you have a reasonable answer, they will believe you.

In a perfect world get 2 or 3 audits as long as VV is first. Tell the next auditors that VV just passed your audit. Chances they disagree would be small. Otherwise big nerd fights on MD would follow.

New auditors need rep, as much as you do. It's one big circle jerk!

yep, because i posted this method an hour ago, its a good idea to check if said method has worked in the past.

I'll be linking this thread to any failed bond, so it gets done right from now on, your name here is merely a placeholder in a template. get over it.

Sorry to hurt your ego but somebody else posted something similar in the past (think not more than 2 months ago) plus there are some quite big brains both in game and MD who know these kinds of tricks (and more) like a pro.

They are an unprofitable use of my time (so I try my best to not take them, including yesterday's newest "IPO") that's for sure.

They may be a choice for certain investees who don't want to share their strategies / assets / POS locations / alts with everyone.

I see you are out to another "campaign", but I'll sadly leave you with a dry mouth. I avoid doing audits whenever I can, I am moving home so I don't even have the time to do them and you just help me reducing the audits requests I get in my mailbox every day.
Only thing that is disappointing is your false statements, those indirectly make my life less busy but directly mis-inform new players who don't know you are out for the troll and the show, not to be useful.

I have prevented more scams, by Posting "would like pledge 20" than you & any of your kind, fact.

You are still advertising audits it in your signature, correct it then, you make no money & it only brings you grief, terminate the service, you were useful for audits Pre-2011, now anyone can grab API's and use them, you usefulness has been reduced to a candlestick thread that no-one will use/read, and some 3rd party crap (kudos for the charity thing though)

I don't believe you that you receive so much interest about "audits" , receiving convos/mails etc, you can't prove it, you are just playing the i'm too busy card and crawling under a rock, by all means. moving hey? hope those highsec pos's stay up, would be dam shame to lose all those, while you are away.

its not really necroing it

you were asked to perform an audit, you stated publically a lie.

there is a new thread (not started by me with an audit service running)

the subject is alive and well, keep ducking and covering though, by all means.

There is more than one way to foil a would-be scam. However effective it may be, posting "would like pledge 20b" seems most effective after the would-be scammer has made a thread in the first place.



I do not think that such audits are a complete waste of time.

I expect that some would-be scammers and some actual scammers-by-other-methods (e.g., the sort of rocket surgeon that considers a "double-your-ISK" scam in Jita Local to be clever), though not dissuaded by just the possibility of a post saying "would like pledge 20b" (however robust that may seem), are dissuaded from the scamming regimen set out in the OP, because it takes some effort. The availability of putative third-party fact-checking tends to discourage lazy scammers.

So it is in helping to prevent this sort of lazy would-be scammer that does not even get so far as a post on MD that the limited benefit of API checks is seen, or rather, thankfully not seen. Unfortunately, I have no numbers to test this hypothesis, for reasons that ought to be obvious.

I support fact checking or other audit-like activities because (even if not all that great) they tend to improve the signal:noise ratio in this forum.

this is a pretty solid thread

maybe i'll try doing this for funsies

Much easier/safer way - create a 0 sp alt on the scamming account. Contract this character plex. Then reverse redeem and redeem back to main character on account. Delete the middle character and poof records are gone. Looks like you just bought 1-2 plex and sold them.