Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i'd agree that putting assets in a system should give a defender a home advantage, and they already do.

but they are invulnerable to anything but a full scale attack. that doesn't sound like the attacking of supply lines we were talking about before. in fact there is no way to attack behind enemy lines, there are only blob sized assaults and the grind of POS bashing. add that to the fact that ratting systems are well behind the frontlines and reinforcement timers give them plenty of time to GTFO, there is little chance the PvE'ers will be cornered so quickly they might have to defend themselves and actually lose something.

i also believe cloaking should not be undetectable, it just shouldn't be blatantly obvious when they are around (for one, they are cloaked). personally i mixture of nerfing local and cloaks together is my desired outcome.

ha ha

Good. Because it isn't. It "fixes" nothing.

If a single neutral cloacked (and even AFK!) is enough to shutdown that system this means you don't "own" a ****.

1bil a month is pennies. i was thinking one tril a day...then it might get used as much as it should...never.

ur trying to add risk to cloaking, but i dnt see anything that adds risk to PvE'ing in null sec. justifying riskless PvE with an upkeep cost and the possibilities of cyno's (which is pointless when the target ship is POS'd anyways) does nothing to solve the issue.

why should u be able to avoid PvP indefinitely when ur in null? its freaking null sec!

umm, no.

u cant kill much of anything in a cloaky. everyone sees u coming and cloaky ships are gimped by default.

1)kills generally come from blobs or consensual PvP. the PvE ratter is voided from both. so what we have is someone who can avoid PvP 100% of the time but gets the highest rewards of null-sec. that is broken.

2)to counter that, some ppl have come up with afk cloaking in the enemy ratting systems to use the ratter's own PvP aversion against them. this is also broken. but at least they are balanced.

i'm now starting to repeat myself and it appears to me u are another null bear who feels entitled to ratting in null without any chance of being caught. for that all ur going to get from now will likely be:

'if u dnt like afk cloakers, goto WH space or hi-sec. No AFK cloakers there'
or
'stop crying null bear, its ur own cowardice that prevents u from ratting'

and for the most part, both statements are true.

no, infact i really dont rat all that much...

I only rat enough to fund my pvp habit.


You think its imbalanced but i think the current system is imbalanced.


No matter what change is proposed half of eve likes it and half of eve will hate it.

I have seen many of stealth bombers jump on ratters in sanctums and kill them or hold them down long enough to bridge in 30-40 people.


Again Jumping into a system probing people down, camping gates all fine... Not even in the same zipcode as your computer and still effecting people in the game i believe is broken.

Alot of people seem to think it isn't, I can only assume you are using this tactic and don't want it to change.


I dont find it fun at all to drop 50 people on 1 person and say pwned in local.. no challenge at all.


Reality of eve is to effectively shut down a system, you need a cloaky camper or 2 and once every few days tackle someone and kill them.. be it with a Blackops fleet or catching someone with a ******** fit battleship and throw a few vollies of torps at him, it really doesnt matter as long as you get a kill. Now everyone thinks you might be around even when your at work or out on a date or taking a ****... In reality you did all of 20 mins work every few days and you effectively shut down a system.

But i digress, Again no matter what i say half will like it half will hate it, it just depends on what your doing currently and how it would effect you.

While i agree its a great idea to bait out cloakys and kill them..

the issue becomes when as i said above .. they only come out for 20 mins aday in your alliance/corps weakest time.. so not a whole lot of people are on to begin with. They get a kill or 2 and just sit afk again in local for another day or 2 and showup at the weakest time.

Really? And is an eve mechanic issue or is a nullbrear mindset?

Then explain me: why when I enter an enemy FW home system local they UN-dock to chase me away or to prevent any my activity there instead of docking scared?

Why I can fly, as I do, in 0.0 and ratting or doing anomalies in YOUR system where everyone is hostile to me and I dunno the local and you cannot rat and do anomalies in YOUR OWN systems if there's a neutral in local? In the systems you're suposed to "own".