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Wolfpacks of Destroyers
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Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-25 20:55:16 UTC
Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered.

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Russell Casey
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-10-25 21:01:12 UTC
That's good news if true. Destroyers are probably the most underrated ship in the game and they've been stuck in a niche that's being filled by drones. Like to see frigates adjusted somehow too.
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#3 - 2011-10-25 21:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jokerface666
but they still need at least 1 more midslot,
there is just no point, either 1. you have an MWD and are able to keep up with the firgs, or 2. you have a scram and can keep them from warping.

1 they can warp
2 they can run away and warp

EDIT: the amarr one that is
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-10-25 21:11:14 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
but they still need at least 1 more midslot,
there is just no point, either 1. you have an MWD and are able to keep up with the firgs, or 2. you have a scram and can keep them from warping.

1 they can warp
2 they can run away and warp

EDIT: the amarr one that is


Yeah, if Destroyers are meant to be frig-killers they need to be built to capitalize on frigate's weaknesses (low cap, low hp, high reliance on speed). If CCP could make them faster with tackle/neut bonues Dessies would **** even faction frigs.
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#5 - 2011-10-25 21:11:49 UTC
the destroyer idea is to kill frigs if they attack not to catch them, if you give more midslots, nobody would fly frigs, if the coming changes are true

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#6 - 2011-10-25 21:14:30 UTC
Lharanai wrote:
the destroyer idea is to kill frigs if they attack not to catch them, if you give more midslots, nobody would fly frigs, if the coming changes are true


If the numbers on the 1st pass changes stay anywhere near what is currently on the data dump, then we will be seeing destroyers a lot more often than now.

Hell, with the listed hybrid changes, even the Cormorant becomes deadly.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#7 - 2011-10-25 21:22:08 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
but they still need at least 1 more midslot,
there is just no point, either 1. you have an MWD and are able to keep up with the firgs, or 2. you have a scram and can keep them from warping.

1 they can warp
2 they can run away and warp

EDIT: the amarr one that is


negative!

you pork the role if you allow a frig stomping boat to tackle.
no, you are a DPS boat.

you want small gang warfare you need more role specific ship classes to have fleet comps of some variety and not BC and DD fleets everywhere.
its boring to sit there going down the list of canes and drakes for 5-10 minutes.
mix it up a bit.

making the new FOTM isn't going to help
Ardamalis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-25 21:24:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ardamalis
Don't forget the lower sig radius. That was perhaps, in my opinion, the biggest change they needed.

Catalyst: . . . . . 86 -> 65
Coercer: . . . . . 83 -> 62
Cormorant: . . . 90 -> 68
Thrasher: . . . . 75 -> 56
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#9 - 2011-10-25 21:24:59 UTC
My concern is that even frigs can fit at least 2 med modules, but a destroyer cant scramble or web?
so basically you have to oneshot the frig or it will just run away, that makes no sense to mee, either in big, medium fleets ro 1on1
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#10 - 2011-10-25 21:30:17 UTC
makes sense to me...frigs are fast attack ships they should have the ability to escape if the catch is to big

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#11 - 2011-10-25 21:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Jokerface666 wrote:
My concern is that even frigs can fit at least 2 med modules, but a destroyer cant scramble or web?
so basically you have to oneshot the frig or it will just run away, that makes no sense to mee, either in big, medium fleets ro 1on1


in fleets, either the guy isn't running or if he is you have better targets to melt anyway. at any rate have a decent fleet comp that includes tackle so the ones that can't IE: you, can get in and deliver the deeps.

1v1, why would you even want to fight a new DD with a frig? unless...

solo, its just not a solo boat unless you want to gank indies
Alara IonStorm
#12 - 2011-10-25 21:32:15 UTC
Mr LaForge wrote:
Wolfpacks of Thrashers

Fixed.

The Caty still doesn't have Web room, the Coercer still has only 1 mid and the Cormie has to choose between a DC and a MFS. Basically avoid Destroyers that start with a C.

It's Thrashers all the way down.
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#13 - 2011-10-25 21:33:19 UTC
noooooooooo

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-10-25 21:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn Makanen
Destroyers are support ships. You don't use them to hunt Frigates. You use them to blatter the ones that come at you.
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#15 - 2011-10-25 21:34:15 UTC
another ugly Minamatar scum boat

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#16 - 2011-10-25 21:35:02 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Destroyers are support ships. You don't use them to hunt Frigates. You use them to blatter the ones that come at you.


/signed

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#17 - 2011-10-25 21:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Mr LaForge wrote:
Wolfpacks of Thrashers

Fixed.

The Caty still doesn't have Web room, the Coercer still has only 1 mid and the Cormie has to choose between a DC and a MFS. Basically avoid Destroyers that start with a C.

It's Thrashers all the way down.

As it was, so it shall be ...

edit: It's actually the extra DPS bonus of the Thrasher that will make it still stand out anyway.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-10-25 21:38:06 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
My concern is that even frigs can fit at least 2 med modules, but a destroyer cant scramble or web?
so basically you have to oneshot the frig or it will just run away, that makes no sense to mee, either in big, medium fleets ro 1on1

nvm that the destroyer will snipe the frig while it is still 60km out
Anne Arqui
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
#19 - 2011-10-25 21:39:41 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Mr LaForge wrote:
Wolfpacks of Thrashers

Fixed.

Time to train my Destroyer skill up and take the dust off my Thrashers ..
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-25 21:41:16 UTC
Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Blink Tackling frigates, frigate killing destroyers, and so on and so on Big smile
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