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Tarchus Likes received: 21	#161 - 2011-10-25 20:59:36 UTC Hope i'll be able to fit railguns on vindicator without extra powergrid modules and implants !!!

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Soporo Likes received: 40	#162 - 2011-10-25 21:01:20 UTC \| Edited by: Soporo Who fly's a Harpy, what's your take on this? lolHawk, btw. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken

The Scope Gallente Federation 39
Wa'roun The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 39	#163 - 2011-10-25 21:05:49 UTC Still no extra slots for a Deimos though.

rodyas

Tie Fighters Inc

Likes received: 1,329

#164 - 2011-10-25 21:13:49 UTC

Sable Blitzmann wrote:

I'm interested in the new t2 probe launchers... they now have 5% scan strength, same as the Sisters variety. What makes the sisters worth 40mil over the new t2 one, which will be around the 1 mil mark presumably?

Faction always give great boost with little skills needed. T2 can be better then faction but need lvl 5 skills. People will still buy sisters if they dont train to lvl 5.

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Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45
Dragonzchilde Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 45	#165 - 2011-10-25 21:15:11 UTC If those changes need to bring me back ... nope Still one easy big nerf bat solution instead of actually thinking it through and making the game as it used to before all those fail patches and crappy "fixes" Red moon rising ... go back to that expansion and then start think it through again and pls stop listening to that ****** CSM

Ministry of War Amarr Empire 7
FlameOfSurvival Ministry of War Amarr Empire Likes received: 7	#166 - 2011-10-25 21:15:56 UTC Good that this is not the final list :) otherwise I really need to ask for WTF the T2 triage module has a Targeting Range bonus (and some other small useless bonus...)

RED ROSE THORN 1,234
JC Anderson RED ROSE THORN Likes received: 1,234	#167 - 2011-10-25 21:17:31 UTC One of the more subtle changes, but one that I really do like is that they increased the warp speed on logistics ships... Brings them in line with other cruisers now.

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quickshot89 89th Logistics Likes received: 14	#168 - 2011-10-25 21:20:49 UTC t2 warfare links, im assuming that includes the mining one, so now the t2 links give the same as t1 + mindlink? or is the mindlink still going to be worth plugging in?

Aliastra Gallente Federation 78
thoth rothschild Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 78	#169 - 2011-10-25 21:30:22 UTC \| Edited by: thoth rothschild I <3 the changes to Hail L/M/S Ammo and the T2 Links !!!

Black Eagle1 2,982
X Gallentius Black Eagle1 Likes received: 2,982	#170 - 2011-10-25 21:30:45 UTC I'm hoping the cap drain on rails has been reduced enough so that I don't have to waste a fitting slot on a cap booster. Will open up possibilities for nano rail Navy Exe (as well as other ships).

Mekhana

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 1,179

#171 - 2011-10-25 21:31:45 UTC | Edited by: Mekhana

Blasters still need to be brought up to par with Autocannons and Pulses.

Just more tracking won't fix that.

Very pleased with the Railgun buff however. I would also like to see Gallente AHACs and Battleships be up to par with Amarr in armor fleets.

The Abaddon can do similar damage to a blasterboat, superior tank, has instant ammo switch, has scorch. Fix this. If you can make the Hyperion as good as the Abaddon in its own way in a manner that its not a liability to bring it to a fleet, you'll make a lot of people happy.

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Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

Likes received: 27,526

#172 - 2011-10-25 21:39:27 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

quickshot89 wrote:

t2 warfare links, im assuming that includes the mining one, so now the t2 links give the same as t1 + mindlink? or is the mindlink still going to be worth plugging in?

The T2 links give a much smaller increase than the mindlink. Somewhere in the region of 10–25% compared to the mindlink's 50%. And the mindlink gives the [x warfare] skill bonus… and can of course be used together with the T2 link for a total base command bonus that's in the region of 60-90% higher than just the base T1 module.

E.g.
Siege Warfare — Active Shielding: 2% base bonus; 3% with mindlink.
Siege Warfare — Active Shielding II: 2.5% base bonus; 3.75% with mindlink.

Likewise, Laser Optimization: 2% base bonus, 3% with mindlink.
Laser Optimization II: 2.5% base bonus, 3.75% with mindlink.

So yes, the mindlink is still worth it.

Buzzmong

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 276

#173 - 2011-10-25 21:41:04 UTC | Edited by: Buzzmong

tika te wrote:

the problem with blasters is not their cap usage or their cpu need, but tracking and ridculous low range.
in todays eve warfare, fights below 10km only happen with frigs...deimos should be able to hit at least 12-20km, not below 10km..
large blaster with optimals way below 20km..well..bs are simply to slow (even with agility boost) to compensate that; a hyperion
with neutrons and lead ammo has about 10km optimal + falloff and speed/agility of cotton wool... 50-100m/s more topspeed with mwd won't make any real difference here.

Actually, range is only a side issue with blasters. The things that hurt them were the web changes, the loss of sig bloom (scram changes) and the buffs to autocannons (ammo changes, TE's giving a big boost to falloff, and resulting in autocannon kiting being very feasible) and Pulse lasers having their tracking boosted. Both of which had the factor of eating into blasters niche or removing the "greyzones" from combat.

However, these new changes look promising. If you didn't notice:

12% PG reduction on all medium and large hybrids (as well as some smalls)
Small CPU reduction
30% reduction in cap use

These 3 alone change things as it means more fitting options (no more mandatory PG rig on Cruisers!) and that they should be slightly tankier and can shoot for longer. Also means you shouldn't be gimping the rest of your fit just so you can fit mid tier weapons (Ion cannons etc)

All Gallente ships will be gaining 10m/s on their base speeds
All Gallente ships getting a 5% agility buff.
Blasters have got a 20% tracking boost.

These three however are the icing on the cake.

Other things still need to be changed (TE's falloff bonus needs to be halved for starters) and Pulse might need tweaking to reintroduce the "greyzones" where none of the weapons are working at their peaks.

But I think it's a good starting move don't you?

Railguns might be worthwhile using outside of special fits again too.

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Paragon Renegade Sebiestor Tribe Likes received: 387	#174 - 2011-10-25 21:42:33 UTC I WANT IT SO BAD CCP, MAKE THIS REAL The pie is a tautology


JC Anderson RED ROSE THORN Likes received: 1,234	#175 - 2011-10-25 21:44:07 UTC Paragon Renegade wrote: I WANT IT SO BAD CCP, MAKE THIS REAL Theyve already replied..It IS REAL, but these numbers are all first pass and will still likely see a lot of changes. ;)


Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#176 - 2011-10-25 21:45:54 UTC \| Edited by: Tippia 2 Buzzmong wrote: All Gallente ships getting a 5% agility buff. No. They get their inertia modifier stat increased — this reduces their agility. They're getting a 5% agility nerf. You want the inertia modifier and mass as low as possible, since they're multiplied together to calculate the ship's agility.

Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 470
Hungry Eyes Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 470	#177 - 2011-10-25 21:55:28 UTC 1 right. blaster boats arent supposed to outmaneuver the opponent...with the buff, they'll just get there a little faster. but this is not enough. unless blaster optimal (or null ammo) is buffed significantly, blaster boats will still be shut down by scrams. if agility is gonna get nerfed, blaster boats should probably be the fastest in the game


Paragon Renegade Sebiestor Tribe Likes received: 387	#178 - 2011-10-25 21:57:06 UTC 1 JC Anderson wrote: Paragon Renegade wrote: I WANT IT SO BAD CCP, MAKE THIS REAL Theyve already replied..It IS REAL, but these numbers are all first pass and will still likely see a lot of changes. ;) I love you, and I love CCP's face. The pie is a tautology

SRS Industries 209
Covert Kitty SRS Industries Likes received: 209	#179 - 2011-10-25 21:57:28 UTC 1 Quote: Twilight Sparkle (my mega) is going to LOVE this winter You could almost call these changes CCP's winter wrapup ;)