Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OMG. my sentinel + covops cloak. Make TD influence missiles and there is no reason to fly any other frig ;)

You were replying to a post listing all the problems with EAF's, then your post added to that list mediocre dps.

Your addition to that list was a stupid one and I said why. If your entering a tard rage because I cut out the quote in your quote then your learn forum manners. So how about you learn to go spell **** before you start screaming on the forums in rage.

Also what the hell does visions of dwarf mean?

Intruding to snip out profanity. -- ISD LackOfFaith

i lasted longer and disengaged. Since its indeed very difficult to kill a dram with only 12 drones. But drams are the exception. A sentinel can kill basically any turret based frig in a 1vs1 without OGBs. Thats quite good for a support ship. And yes i love the sentinel. So please give it covops cloaks and it will become the only frig sized ship in my hangar.

And btw, taking a pirate ship as balancing cornerstone is a bad idea. Its a good thing that there are ships out there which have difficulties to solo a dram.

Back to the root message of this little thread and you'll see us listing why people don't fly them. My entry in the list was mediocre dps. It's another reason not the fly the sucker.

Snip. Personal attacks are not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith

To address your latest failure: interceptors were designed to intercept and hold, yet those little suckers can rip apart ships. Seen it happen. The speed tank is sick, they have killer dps and have the power to stop the target from escaping. That ought to ring a bell with you. If not, see above.

You appear to believe that EA ships must not be allowed the ability to do likewise. Please continue posting.

See their is a difference between dps coming from a ship that has little tank and is fast, and dps coming from a ship that can permenatly jam you, reduce your weapons range to nothing, steal all your capacitor, web you from kiting range, or reduce your targeting range to 5km. Interceptors can be easily thwarted with slingshot maneuvers, tracking disruptors, and if you get a scram and web on them they will die instantly with the exception of a few niche brawling fits that can be countered by many t1 and assault frigates.

An EAF should be 70km away from the fight, the only reason for it to have any guns at all is to pop drones. DPS is irrelevant to the matter. If your trying to apply dps in a frigate fleet battle your an idiot and will die in a massive fire. If you give a kitsune frigate combat frigate like dps then it would be ungodly op in 1v1's, the maulus with its sensor damps are already OP since they can 100% prevent you from fighting back, giving the keres even better stats would be stupid, the sentinel is the exception, since td's and neuts are easily counterable. If the hyena didn't suck ball sacks and did good dps it would be the perfect kiting ship, . DPS is 100% useless in a fleet battle on EAFS and in a 1v1 scenario would be OP.

Intruding to edit a quote. -- ISD LackOfFaith

What combination would win the following encounter?

(Assuming pilot skills and player ability to be so evenly matched, that the ships used become the determining factor)

Assault Frig x2
vs.
Assault Frig with EAF support

NO you idiot. EAFS are supposed to have mediocre dps and should never ever have good dps. I said the DPS is irrelevant to the equation in a fleet fight and a terrible ******* idea in a 1v1 sense.

Your arguing for a stat that is useless to the job that these ships are meant for. Its like arguing logistics ships need more dps, its pointless. Its almost as if you know nothing about how people fly EAFS. Its like arguing that a maller needs more shield hitpoints or dreadnaughts a bonus to velocity. Lack of dps is part of the ships nature, and if you understand that but posted that initial comment knowing that then your just saying irrelevant nonsense.

T1 Ewar frigs are really fast and cheap ewar platforms, they are brittle as a crickets **** but can totally shut off multiple other frigates which is annoying. In order to distinguish EAFs from t1 ewar frigs why not make them the opposite of t1 ships and make them relatively slow and tanky. Give all of them a resist bonus, relatively low base speed, no weapons bonuses, and make them tanking monsters for frigates. A ship with massive staying power but fewer escape options when cornered.

With the covops cloak I still seem them having limited use, because a falcon can do what 2 kitsunes can do from 100km away with little risk of death. The kitsune will just be a falcon but more alphable. In faction warfare it would be an easily abusable method of ******* 1v1 frigate pilots over, just sit in a brawler frigate in a plex with an eaf sitting cloaked up.

Consider this though, for black ops hotdrops, the amount of fuel required to drop a Keres, a couple Hyenas, a sentinel, and say a half dozen stealth bombers would be a lot less than an equivalent number of rapiers, a falcon, and a pilgrim plus a half dozen stealth bombers. As well the replacement cost of the force recons is tremendously higher. Effectiveness is relative when we are looking at ways to make PvP more accessible. I know we would use these tactics, frigate fleets for hotdrops, if we had them available to us.

Very true, but I think the levels of douche baggery that would happen in FW plexes would personally outweigh benefits to black ops drops. I also think CCP would be reluctant to disable covops in plexes.

"Oh a rifter is in that small plex, i don't see any links on dscan. Ill just warp in and have a good 1v1. OH **** KITSUNE HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO SEE THAT OTHER THAN CHECKING A 3RD PARTY WEBSITE TO SEE THIS GUYS KILL HISTORY AND HOPE HE HAD NOT RECENTLY CHANGED TACTICS"