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simukz
#1 - 2013-02-05 00:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: simukz
So I am finally reading the CSM minutes,

From ~6 - 10 pages, The instigators conversation starts... and middle of page 10 an obvious issue began to form in my mind...
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Kelduum asked why CCP found it challenging to tell whether the one person with 5 characters and 5
accounts in his own corporation was actually just a single person.


there are so MANY small corps just for that reason so a single player and or few of his close friends could share his stuff with his other accounts or his friends.

thus you get all these "solo" or "duo" player corps, with players who dont participate in a bigger picture of the game because the
only obvious game mechanic allowing to easily share items is a Corp


i can name about 4 cases like that, how many can you think of?
how would it affect the game having an ability to share hanger with anther player and thus being able to join a bigger corp instead of forming one for minuscule reason as sharing?

and what happened to the single log on and deals for players with multiple accounts that was mentioned at fanfest?

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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#2 - 2013-02-05 02:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
simukz wrote:

only obvious game mechanic allowing to easily share items is a Corp



In station:
Right-click > Trade.

In space:
Jetcan
Fleet hangar in a proper ship

Offline:
Contracts (before you complain about the cost, there is a cost to form a PRC and a cost to hold an office (rent) in that station. The small fees for creating a contract with no exchange of ISK, could probably never compare to the rental cost of an office in any normal traffic system.)
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#3 - 2013-02-05 02:41:23 UTC
Actually allot of the Small HS Corps(or at least the ones that I've come across) are normally Research Alts with a POS :)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-05 03:05:16 UTC
Well I have to ask, as is the case in many of these threads, what exactly is the problem?

What is this "bigger picture" that apparently you seem to think we all should be contributing to?

Many small corps are a few friends, as you say. Sometimes they find more friends and grow, create alliances. Sometimes they just enjoy each others company and play this game the way they enjoy. I fail to see how this has a negative impact on the game.

FWIW, many of these small corp types wouldn't be the type to join some uber large alliance to begin with.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#5 - 2013-02-05 03:42:22 UTC
Can someone please point out to me where the stigma of solo players / small corporations / npc corps has suddenly come from? Did someone post a blog about it somewhere?

I don't really see how it effects the game so much for some people.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-02-05 03:53:47 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Can someone please point out to me where the stigma of solo players / small corporations / npc corps has suddenly come from? Did someone post a blog about it somewhere?

I don't really see how it effects the game so much for some people.



funny thing is they are doing what all the the "hardcores" are telling them to do...not be in npc corps. damned if you do, damned if you don't lol.




And the one mans are more than jsut item sharing. its the wallet with tabs. Feature I like for my one man. My indy side line has its own tab. If I cba to dig up excel atm...I know if I bought stuff to make 3 ships on tuesday the market cost they need to be at the minumum will be tuesdays start balance minus tuesdays end balance once all the parts and jobs put in are paid for.


Mission runner puts into a general tab, I see my takes. Mt trade alt's money goes into another tab. basic stuff like this to get a better handle on my expenses and income not spamming filters under only 1 wallet.

Its the pos ability as well.




Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-05 03:59:12 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Can someone please point out to me where the stigma of solo players / small corporations / npc corps has suddenly come from? Did someone post a blog about it somewhere?

I don't really see how it effects the game so much for some people.



People burned out on the AFK cloaking idea?

Maybe something in the CSM notes? Most of the CSM are from big 0.0 alliances so I would imagine they are biased against the little guy.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-05 04:11:13 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Maybe something in the CSM notes? Most of the CSM are from big 0.0 alliances so I would imagine they are biased against the little guy.



actually the 0.0 people usually run small one man corps of alts in empire for thier side isk ventures. Stuck on a pos bash quite a few times with the ice miner running alt alt tabbed myself. Or the freighter pilot off to jita to sell stuff I made. I am not the only one who did this for sure.

The little guy haters tend to come from the empire war dec bear crews. Too many to war dec and those they dec if looking to be empire 4 life could care less if ther corp history has 200 corps in it with drops (too many corps a bad sign to 0.0 recruiters) Or if inventors/builders....the alt hauler in a npc corp can run the haulers at will lol, no skin off thier nose really.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#9 - 2013-02-05 04:51:32 UTC
A lot of them were in NPC corps until the 11% tax hit.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#10 - 2013-02-05 05:14:26 UTC
I was under the impression that small corps are around because 90% of Eve players are robbing bastards that will steal anything not nailed down the try smacking talking about how awesome they are in local for a week. So most people choose to ignore that part of the game, and stick to close friends and alts.

Odd that for an MMO, playing however you want and all. Next people will be complaining about mineral prices and the endless bot armies causing mining to be worthless again..... wait a minute.

O nonsense thread, the 30 seconds of chuckle you gave me were not worth the 5 minutes of reading you. Alas.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-02-05 10:17:07 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
I was under the impression that small corps are around because 90% of Eve players are robbing bastards that will steal anything not nailed down the try smacking talking about how awesome they are in local for a week. So most people choose to ignore that part of the game, and stick to close friends and alts.

Odd that for an MMO, playing however you want and all. Next people will be complaining about mineral prices and the endless bot armies causing mining to be worthless again..... wait a minute.

O nonsense thread, the 30 seconds of chuckle you gave me were not worth the 5 minutes of reading you. Alas.



I'm pretty sure using italics, strange attempts at poetic language and the use of the word "alas" makes your point of view invalid.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2013-02-05 11:21:19 UTC
dnt see what the problem is...or what the bigger picture is supposed to be.

u even get 1-man corps in RL. just ask jimmy carr

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-02-05 11:26:16 UTC
I made a corp because NPC corp chat annoys me and also 0% tax :) I don't know If I will make anything out of it just yet but theres a chance in the future!

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]
Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-02-05 11:26:50 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
dnt see what the problem is...or what the bigger picture is supposed to be.

u even get 1-man corps in RL. just ask jimmy carr


ooooh burnt

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#15 - 2013-02-05 12:06:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
I have one of these corporations :P

The most common reason is meta gaming in my opinion. It's realy hard to keep your assets safe from opportunists and idiots. Having an assets corporation makes life alot easier cause you can't create personal stuff inside a bigger corporation from where you could share what you have and keep them safe while sharing them. EVE actually has different fancy things in the UI like personal pos and stuff like this but they have never been implemented or they don't work correctly. so making a new corp for alts and friends is alot easier than to try to tell CCP and you people that we would need a change so that assets could be shared more easily and safely.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#16 - 2013-02-05 12:22:07 UTC
OP, keep reading the minutes. You seem to have inadvertently taken a comment about solo/alt corps as CCP looking to discourage them. Keep reading and they point out that even as a 1 man corp, they are part of the community and they contribute.

Oh, and to the guy who made the robbing bastards comment, totally on the money and cheers for the chuckle.

Friends
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-02-05 16:07:29 UTC
A big reason to create a small corp is to make friends and gather people towards the same goal....

But the sov mechanisms and the BLOB is killing this... And killing the game... that is why there should be a revamp in POS, and a Revamp in the Sov... else... cpp will end up only with their blob players...

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
simukz
#18 - 2013-04-02 19:54:40 UTC
It seams I did not explained myself.

Why I got back to highsec 3 times, and what keeps holding me there, is that when I get someone interested to try out the game, they need help with stuff and show off the cool toys they could have. Yes I could straight up grab them an take them to 0.0, but it is not for everyone. But I dont want to be in highsec. So now, I have been forced to create alts to actually play the game. And since my friends have stopped playing my main is now stuck and doing nothing just playing skill training online. Because the second I move out, some coworker of mine will go "oh i would like to try out this game". So I just wish I could share some my high-sec assets with RL friends with out being part of the corp.

Sol Weinstein wrote:

Offline:
Contracts (before you complain about the cost, there is a cost to form a PRC and a cost to hold an office (rent) in that station. The small fees for creating a contract with no exchange of ISK, could probably never compare to the rental cost of an office in any normal traffic system.)


online options work great, but there is no offline alternative to Contracts. If i could create contracts through crest with my phone... then contracts could work.

rent is dirt cheap... unless you are renting in high end mission hubs. My offices are in level 1 mission stations for new players.

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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#19 - 2013-04-02 20:08:24 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
simukz wrote:

only obvious game mechanic allowing to easily share items is a Corp



In station:
Right-click > Trade.

In space:
Jetcan
Fleet hangar in a proper ship

Offline:
Contracts (before you complain about the cost, there is a cost to form a PRC and a cost to hold an office (rent) in that station. The small fees for creating a contract with no exchange of ISK, could probably never compare to the rental cost of an office in any normal traffic system.)

You're confusing exchange with share... /facepalm

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#20 - 2013-04-02 20:09:43 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
What is this "bigger picture" that apparently you seem to think we all should be contributing to?

It is what you do in EVE, when you put your life, work and family into backburner.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
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