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Lol.... now you are a little bias and unlogical and very inductiv. But let me show it to you that first: NOT JUST Karsoth alone was part of Jamyls trade, also the "acceptance in the international arena" (He has accept her as "Empress of Amarr". As the news said in the non speech part). Now back to Jamyls-trade, as I said before:

"So back again. We have now two players (Khanid II and Jamyl I), and both have a goal. Khanid II to gain some sort of benefit and Jamyl to gain acceptance and the heretic Dochuta Karsoth. And that is in my eyes what happend. She had gain acceptance in the international arena (+ Dochuta Karsoth as bonus), he has gain a seat in the PC. In addition with the pac, he had gain protection from the Empire; and the Empire had gain an ally. So it is a WIN-WIN for both sites. But the Idea, that a player would enter a game with the goal; that he becomes a subject -- aka LOSE -- is ....arrggg *snipped* Big smile. I think; before he would make this, he would choose another option (and there are more as the four mention by me). Dont get me wrong, I get how someone gets this impression form the text."

Again and again: It isnt Karsoth alone. Secondly:



Really? First as I ones said individuals act (Jamyl and Khanid II).... not the Empire. Institutions CANT ACT, only individuals in institutions act. Im serious right now (*publius looks in the eyes of Horatius*). You cant and you shouldnt ever go out of the fact that institution can act. It is leads just to fallacies. I cant make this big enough. SO I took some freedom and reworte your point: "Jamyl did not value Karsoth that highly" and before I falsify this point; I have to ask is this your point?



By the way... it isnt only just that, third point:



Now you are in fantasy land? Do I need really answer to this bullshit? He was in the hand of Khanid. POINT. Everything else... like "He was truely in the hands of imperial agents" or your *snipped*. So can you explain to me LOGICAL AND DEDUCTIV. How you come to this statement/argument.

(1 major premise) Empire has enough agents to extract or kill Karsoth
(2 minor premise) words, words, words...
Therfore
(3 conclusion) thats why Khanid II has capture him.

If this isnt your point. Please your are welcome to change our idea or flash out your point. So, that I understand: Empire has enough agents to extract or kill Karsoth; therefore, they havent got him, instead Khanid II has got him in the first place.

Do you see the problems in your logic? Dont try to out redneck PIE. They can redneck everything .





And finally your conclusion:

Okay... Jamyl would go to war for Karsoth (and destroy a brother state); but DOESNT VALUE him that highly? As you said before most likely (have to wait for the answer). Really? You see some of your logical errors? By the way can you reword some of your stuff more in a actors way. I mean with it that; Jamly does act X or Y.... That way I understand you better and I can point out suff more easly. It helps me and you. By the way...If she deeply loves to destroy the Kingdom and trys the reclaim the kingdom; WHY waiting? She could on day one declare a war not just the republic (like in one of the first speeches mention) also to the kingdom? IF THIS IS HER GOAL, plz explain to me why she havent done it? Doesnt she value the kingdom that highly in her reclaiming list ? How comes that guy, (If I may qoute you: "Jamyl is also a realpolitician (and privately secular), and probably shares a lot of the king's world views."), with those she shares shares a lot of views, isnt number one -- just number two after the republic -- on the reclaiming list ? How those ? So that she waits years and years and years until there is a chance for her? And what is this chance? That Khanid has capture Karsoth? Really? She waits for to hit/destroy the kingdom and Khanid II until he has Karsoth? By the way why should Karsoth be the trigger? The guy, which has if I take you: "No value" to Jamyl. Which leads even in short form (not counting step inbetween) to the conclusion that: Khanid II has captured Karsoth = makes him to a subject of the empress and the empire (and/or a subject to the empress reclaiming goals). Really? I hope this isnt the endgame of your game theoretical analyse of what is happening. If so; and that is your theory. You have also then to explain, why should Khanid then capture him in the first place? Is Khanid II stupid or mentally handicapped? That he doesnt see: I capture Karsoth = makes me to a subject of the empress and the empire; and/or I become, I subject to the empress reclaiming goals. Next to many other questions.

I have no problem, If you call Khanid II: Khanid Khanid. This action makes him just a joke. And Im fine if you make a joke.
*snipped*

Is it a wisley choice? Isnt there any better options? May favorite one would be: Jamly delares war on the kingdom. The state has than to choose, which site the take. As a player/nation cant be best friend with the main-enemy of friend. If Khanid II is lucky, he would get the caldari on his site. So Jamyl would lose a ally, gain another front -- the khanid front -- to the already existing minmatar front. Worst case scenero, the navy would again end up in a def fight which leads to a second "cold front development" and then to a steelmate. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Unchallenged_Era_of_the_Amarr_Empire#Open_Warfare




Never hearded about a oversight of the Empire over the Kingdom. And I have ask before.... why should it happend? Why should Khanid II give up power? Even If I say 1 is true and if I say 2 is true and I even say 3 is true and If I even say that his "bowing" would be wisley choice... Why should he give up power? He could, just go that way... that he says: Yes you have a abaddon, you have me first on your list, yes I have just two options.... yes I bow symbolically? But what after that? What would make him to do more then that? A lip-services to a empress, which hasnt even got a real "submission" form their heirs, also just a lip-service. Why should Khaind do more? Why should he give up power? Is he stupid? And all that, after the other nobility got even power tru Jamyl (the Mandate or chancellor offices etc...). So, he -- Khanid II -- is the only guy which has in your universe (if the first points are true), more to give up as actual imperial heirs, which could challenge Jamyl power directly? Intriguing. Thats is the reason why *snipped*. You have decide that one actor has less tools as any other. Thats why we always come to the conclusion that Khanid II has less tools, then actor x. In the example above. He would have less tools, as the royal heirs -- and those are some window likers. As he even hasnt their level of tools and skills, or in other words: He isnt smart enough to do just a lip-service, he has to give up power?

Someone should slap you for double-, no, triple-posting. So please, slap yourself now.
And now i'd like to point you to an excellent shiny "EDIT" button in the lower right corner of your posts. Use it, don't be shy.

I have gone back through and done a mild clean up of this thread to clean it of some rants, insults, spam, and personal attacks on former CCP employees.

Two words: "Elder fleet"

He must be extremely keen if he's willing to risk losing his forum privileges permanently simply to continue this pointless "debate", even after he's pestered CCP about it.

Ban evasion tends to be frowned upon.

I have deleted the ban evading post as well as the CCP communications.

If each seat on the Privy Council is represented by a ruler of the Empire, how could the King gain a seat on it without the Kingdom becoming part of the Empire?

To you remember what I ones wrote about prussia? And that they (unlike like your false assumption), where never emperos. Even the Kingdom of prussia was outside of the HRE not a reichkreis, but still the King of prussia was a prince elector, had a seat in the Reichstag etc..... So easy... I could even go deeper and say the the cities had just voice opprotunitys in the reichtags form 1335-1442. Etc....


So fly save Im gone. bye


P.S You may now answer one of my questions? Dont you? Like how is point three plausible and possible? And what are my flawed premises? Do you had split magic/tools in your explainations and examples before? etc.... Fly save.

True... And we will most likely just find small examples in the real world... like the lomards cities in the HRE (for a small time frame). But still It doesnt falesfy any of my points my friend. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? Lets say... I find a example what is just almost close, does it change anything what I had wrote? No. Because I dont say it is unplausebile because of: "History example x",
I say it unplausible, because its violates a law. Two different things my friend.

So again... please explain some of my questions... by the way you dont die if you say you were wrong, or you havent a logical-deductiv answer for point three.



BY THE WAY THIS IS MY FINAL WORDS..... WILL NEVER COME BACK... FLY SAVE.... AND UNLOG FACIST MONKS WARNING.... AND GIVE IT TO ME, AS I HAVE TRICK HIM. I take the blame and panelty john.