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Scam Information Required - Breaking the Rules or Not ?
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Hippy Kie Yay
Quantitative Easing Inc
#1 - 2013-02-05 15:22:26 UTC
Guys

Having searched all the relevant scam information available and thoroughly read through the EULA, I am unable to find anything that definitively answers the following question, any help would be greatly appreciated.

If I advertise a service on the forums and I get an interested party initiate in game conversations and mails with me, I then get them to pay a sum of iISK for a service that doesn't exist or I simply retain their ISK am I breaking the rules ?

If so what are the penalties ?

Please no trolling, serious and genuinely knowledgeable answers greatly received.

Thanks in advance.

Hip o/
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-02-05 15:24:23 UTC
Nope. The only exception is if that service is something to do with buying or selling characters. That's verboten.

Otherwise, good luck and god speed!

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Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-05 15:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lysanne Reqetta
Scamming on the forums is fine as long as you're only advertising a game-related service for ISK. Selling non-game-related services for ISK, scam or not, is against the rules, as is selling in-game services for real money. Scamming is not allowed in relation to character transfers.

On an unrelated note, I have a very nice jump-gate in Amarr I'm looking to sell, and you seem like someone with plenty of ISK to spend on buying me a carrier maintaining public infrastructure for the upstanding people of Amarr. Mail me if you're interested.

Blatant alt posting? In my EVE? It's more likely than you think.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#4 - 2013-02-05 15:30:52 UTC
what they said, and also no scamming in recruit chat

hell, 90% of the posts in market discussions are scams
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#5 - 2013-02-05 15:30:57 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Nope. The only exception is if that service is something to do with buying or selling characters. That's verboten.

Otherwise, good luck and god speed!

Pretty much, as long as you are only asking for ISK... although if it was directed at brand new players somehow there might end up being an issue (doubtful).

However, folks on this forum will rapidly point out in your thread(s) that it is a scam, so you'll only pick off the truly abysmally stupid.

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Hippy Kie Yay
Quantitative Easing Inc
#6 - 2013-02-05 15:31:39 UTC
So a Large Alliance offering systems for rent and keeping your deposit when negotiations break down is acceptable besides any bad press it may generate ?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#7 - 2013-02-05 15:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Hippy Kie Yay wrote:
So a Large Alliance offering systems for rent and keeping your deposit when negotiations break down is acceptable besides any bad press it may generate ?



yup

same goes for selling WH

although cry wolf too many times and nobody but the criminally stupid will deal with you


so how much did you lose anyhow?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-05 15:38:50 UTC
Send me 250m ISK, and I will send you my fully updated scamguide, including every major scam type and tips on how to do them effectively. Depending on how quick a learner you are and your assets, you can be making anywhere form 2b-25b a week.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#9 - 2013-02-05 15:41:17 UTC
Morganta wrote:
what they said, and also no scamming in recruit chat

hell, 90% of the posts in market discussions are scams


You cannot scam new players.

New players can read Market discussion.

90% of the posts in market discussions are scams.

Am I missing something?

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-02-05 15:43:11 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Am I missing something?


Basic reading comprehension.

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Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-05 15:48:57 UTC
Morganta wrote:
no scamming in recruit chat


Citation needed.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#12 - 2013-02-05 15:49:34 UTC
Stop trying to apply the freakin' transversal laws of algebra to CCP's positions.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#13 - 2013-02-05 15:51:45 UTC
Wes, I have no citation but as I understand recruitment and help are off limits for IN-CHANNEL scamming, feel free to convo/mail them ~out of the blue~. ;)

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-05 16:44:08 UTC
Lysanne Reqetta wrote:
Selling out-of-game services for ISK, scam or not, is against the rules


No it's not. People sell killboard/forum/comms hosting for ISK, along with plenty of other out of game services. I think the only rule is that it has to be "eve-related."

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-05 16:45:16 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
You cannot scam new players.


Yes you can. They just rarely have anything worth taking, so most people don't bother.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-02-05 16:49:25 UTC
Wescro wrote:
Morganta wrote:
no scamming in recruit chat


Citation needed.


Don't take our word for it. Scam in the new player channel and see how it works out for you.

We look forward to the report on your progress.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2013-02-05 16:49:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
You cannot scam new players.


Yes you can. They just rarely have anything worth taking, so most people don't bother.


Unless you have a civilian module fetish....

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Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-05 16:51:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
Lysanne Reqetta wrote:
Selling out-of-game services for ISK, scam or not, is against the rules


No it's not. People sell killboard/forum/comms hosting for ISK, along with plenty of other out of game services. I think the only rule is that it has to be "eve-related."

Oh, my bad. Thought I'd seen it last time I read the rules (admittedly some time ago). I'll edit in a minute.



...Hey, would you like to buy my jump-gate? The OP doesn't appear to be interested (must think it's a scam!) and you seem like a reasonable and discerning man.

Blatant alt posting? In my EVE? It's more likely than you think.

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Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-02-05 16:56:44 UTC
I'd like to invest. 1b isk sent.

hello
Whitehound
#20 - 2013-02-05 21:49:20 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
I'd like to invest. 1b isk sent.

I didn't get them. Try again, it might be a bit slow with the servers!

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