EVE General Discussion

First of all it makes me boggle the "carebear" vs "PVPer". Like in EvE one can avoid being a PvPer, all become PvPers the second they undock and there are no "private instances" to farm PvE in. So the game already enforces being ALWAYS a valid target and that's the appeal of EvE.

Second, Tyrannis sucked as whole expansion. I mean WHO in their mind, be it a carebear or PvPer could like some greenish circlets? Who, carebear or PvPer can justify 6 months to implement circlets? Even your worst nemesis of carebear would have at least expected Tyrannis to look like Civilization or like a RTS... to look like something decent.

But no, that was such a massive downer, I am surprised players did not drop *more* because of how lackluster it was.

Still, does not make that terrible expansion PvE.


Incursions, is the ONE enforced-social feature in the whole hi sec and you classify it like it's the evil? Social = content = interactions and even pew pew. Seriously, you have some very very odd views about game features.

I did not know I had to wait for 2012 to compete on planets resources.
I did not know I had to wait for 2012 to get a freighter with 2B worth of PI popped.
I did not know I had to wait for 2012 to sell PI at Jita.
I did not know I had to wait for 2012 to find the structure camped in low and null.

Color me seriously impressed!


Edit: feel free to find my totally PvE fund raised in Market Discussion forum (Oct-Nov 2012) where I have made 5B for my investors and 3B for myself in 2 weeks. Guess what? One of the four funds, called PIBSK (PI Basket) was guess what, entirely based on market pew pew of PI. Clearly impossible until 2012!
So much PvE, those guys who I profited from, clearly did not want those 5 + 3 = 8B anyway.

I'm not establishmentarian, I'm antidisestablishmentarian. There's a difference.

It was simply a new ISK fountain, nothing more. Once it no longer became the goto ISK fountain for everyone in EVE, noone seemed to find the alleged 'social bonds' formed during Incusion worth continuing. Funny that.

They are playing the game, by the rules established by the people who developed the game.

In fact, wardec evasion is a very canny form of PvP. It generates more tears than any hulkageddon, suicide gank or corporate theft.

Any time you buy a sell order....you're paying prices other have set. Or have you NEVER done that?

Be able to 'opt out of the player driven market'? You already can. You do know manufacturing exists right? And that, if you were suitably motivated you could be completely self sufficient.

I get it, I do: You want to shoot bears for the minimum possible cost to yourself and that's fine - but that is absolutely not a reason to screw with the NPC corps, imo. You're simply refusing to meet the costs of the higher barrier of entry to killing one who doesn't want to die and is making sacrifices (even if you think they are not good enough) to pay for that privilege. You want to kill the most protected people possible, you go ahead and knock yourself out, just don't whinge that it's costing you money - their protection is costing them money too.

But like I said before, you hold a "You're doing the sandbox wrong" attitude and therefore, there is absolutely no point in continued debate.

Well, it's not like CCP never delivered a borked imbalanced expansion before.
Once they fixed the income (feel free to find me as first day nerf caller on it on this very forum) it became what it should have been: a feature catering to a subset of players. Incursions are still done, they just skip the truly craptastic bits of it.

What CCP still failed (and fails and WILL fail) is to make Incursions, missions and even PvP scale organically with the number of players doing them. If the income shrunk doing incursions in few guys, if PvP did not reward the largest "skill less warm body" blob then EvE would be the perfect game.

I came to EvE for the spaceships PvP, left deluded. I always played in small groups of highly tight companions who want to push the limits... but EvE really prizes those with most RR / links alts and blobs.
Since finding worthwhile (10 men for me is tops) PvP takes so long - it's almost a damn job - then I quit EvE skill less PvP and am just trading any more (a PvP where nobody can blob me and my group).

oh okay I'll edit my post to say "except for 10 guys" or whatever, good point

You know defending yourself exists right? And that if you were suitably motivated you could win wars. Likewise, I feel I should give the manufacturers what I feel is a fair price for their wares for my catalysts, which I will use to shoot them, because I want to opt out of the player driven market without opting out of playerd driven combat. As I see it, this position is just as valid as your "opt out of PvP" stance.

wrong It absolutely is. Suicide ganking is not intended to be the only form of nonconsensual PvP in highsec, sorry.

The worst people in the world is those who think: i understand what is better FOR ALL. These people always hurt and kill more people than any other disaster.

The truth is: you can't be 100% sure you KNOW WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS BAD outside of your small piece of the World. It is because you see only small part of it.
To see whole picture you need to be OVER it. Not be part of it.

That's why i never trust to some "0.0 warrior" or "professional ganker" or "fulltime carebear" or whatever when they speak about "game as whole".