EVE General Discussion

Don't forget the total destruction of the datacores market, originally sustained by people with training in science skills interacting the R&D agents, now replaced by FW pilots doing science with guns.

Where does this idea that buying a PLEX on the market with ISK somehow deprives CCP of money come from? Why do so many people think this?

It's mind-bogglingly stupid.

Since this is GD, I'm going to call the OP a Troll.

Nothing like it used to be though. People were able to farm it beyond what anybody expected when it was first introduced. Since then, CCP has nerfed it twice in hopes to curtail this practice.

Namely, gangs of all stealth bombers grabbing multiple missions over and over while cherry picking them to the fullest extent.

Unlike normal missions, pilots were able to turn down faction warfare missions with no standing loss or negative effects. So they would all keep asking each agent for missions until they had multiple (read : LOTS!) in the same general location. Entire gangs would do this over and over, while ALSO only taking missions that would require them to kill a single enemy to complete it.

So they would all fly stealth bombers, go to mission area, warp directly to the target npc, kill him from range, complete mission and then return to their agents. Rinse and repeat with no end to the farming. Through practice, the vast majority of the missions they accepted were taking as little as 30 seconds to complete, and no more than only a few minutes.

One corp (wont name) took it a bit further by setting up fairly robust fleets on the gates in order to keep hostiles out of the mission running system of choice.

Prior to the release of Dominion, that very same corp had been taking pre-orders on navy battleships to be delivered on the same day they were made available in the FW lp store. Due to the staggering amount of LP they had farmed, they made over 50 billion ISK on these pre orders alone.

TLDR : Just be happy that CCP fixed that particular loophole and leave it at that.

EDIT : As for PLEX.... Well if nobody was buying it anymore then you wouldn't have ANY being sold for ISK in the first place. The only reason those are there is due to the fact that somebody paid real money for it, and then listed it to be sold in-game.

IMO they should at least make the rats stronger to make sure that either side of the factions risk more than a destroyer.

I would like to see an arms race between factions.. that would boost the amount of isk non plexers are able to make.. I guess that with all this isk the plexers make they will risk bigger ships in pvp therefore creating more of a demand on the market.

As it stands, not too many people plex, I would like to see the plex thing become over saturated and loose its profitability.

The sad thing is that if you just want to make isk, you fly something with warp core stabs and run away when someone warps in to the plex. The people who pvp and lose ships, make a lot less isk then the complex farmers.

Assuming T3 and 1,000 ISK/LP you need 5 hours of pure plexing time (running medium plexes) to earn enough for a PLEX in the current system.

"A plex a day" is hardly outrageous.

I'm tempted to make this my new sig.

FW LP has really been worth it at two points in it's history:

* the moment the LP store gained new stuff (described above by the post about the pre-orders), before the flood.
* a few months after no-consequences-refusal of missions was fixed.. this was great, the golden age as it were.

at other times, it's doesn't seem to have been worth the time (even though the numbers i've heard are significantly higher that what Vera posts), because either everyone is doing it and foolishly driving prices down. won't even touch the store discount for tier farce -.-

//the reason for my post is to tell OP that of course there is a point to other activities (enjoyment?), even when in search of isk.

2k isk/lp is achievable if you have some patience in selling the items (and spread your lp across different items).

1k isk/lp is the "no effort" lp conversion rate (ships, faction ammo, datacores, ...) which is why I used it in my example.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/ is very helpful.

Both militias sitting at t2 is rare, but even in your 90m ISK/h example (more realistically 75m isk/h as large plexes are rare) the OP's "a plex a day" benchmark would be achievable.

My point is not that plexing is super profitable (although the first week after amarr hit t3 was very profitable for me) but that "a plex a day" is not imbalanced or extraordinary.

(and if you really want to do FW for ISK then you should move your alts between militias to chase high payout tiers, not sit in a t2 militia and sulk)