Missions & Complexes

Fair. I hadn't followed that link. And yeah, it's something I've said before.



Again, fair. I have a different bias: that unsubstantiated reports from people who don't seem to repeat the story anywhere I can document are likely wrong given the very small number of them. But you're certainly right that there's no deductive proof to deny 5/10s in high sec.

I think we'd both agree, however, that if someone is looking for 5/10s, they should definitely go to low as their odds of finding one in high are either zero or so very near zero as to be of little practical consequence.

Largely speculation, but I have a theory as to why 5/10s may have appeared in highsec, but don't naturally spawn in highsec (sounds ********, I know, just read until the end).

First off, a sidestory--a couple years ago, when I was (more) noobish, I liked nothing more than zooming around highsec in a BC and doing anomalies for a chance at faction spawns/escalations. I don't quite remember WHY, but I did.

Regardless, occasionally I DID get DED escalations; one time in particular I got a 4/10 escalation that happened to go into lowsec. While I am not a regular lowsec guy, checking up on the system showed low traffic and no recent kills, so I threw on a cloak/mwd and went to it.

As I was doing the complex, a couple -10s popped into local, so I immediately warped out and activated the cloak once I landed. I waited until they left (which wasn't for about 30 minutes), and then warped back to the complex.

What did I find once I took the acceleration gate? two rooms full of yellow wrecks. The bastards had cleared my plex! (No, they didn't scan me down and then warp in, I was pre-aligned and warped out within 10 sec of them entering local.)

The significance of this is this: it seems like escalated DED plexes from anoms may actually become scannable sites once started.

Now, the reason I spent the last five paragraphs relating goes back to my speculation as well as something people seem to agree on in this thread--certain highsec anoms have a small, small chance of causing a 5/10 escalation in highsec. If this happens and, say, the person who GOT the escalation is a noob (not a stretch, they were probably spamming highsec anoms), they very well might not have been equipped to deal with a 5/10 and warped out and left it behind once that became clear.

If that happened, some explorer coming across the abandoned plex would think they had found a naturally spawning 5/10. It would also explain how rare they are: they wouldn't spawn based off normal mechanics, but only when someone got an (already extremely rare) 5/10 escalation and then abandoned it. In that case, a search on the test server would be the WORST way to find one, as I am fairly sure people aren't running many highsec plexes on there.

TLDR: I used proper paragraphs and grammer, no excuses, don't be so lazy.

That's an odd story; I'll give you that. The only problem? You actually can't scan down escalation sites. Trust me; I've been on both ends of this one. The damn things don't show up. Sometimes I'm glad they don't, sometimes I'm frustrated that I can't get in to a site someone has partially cleared. But either way, core probes won't do the trick.

Theres plenty of them in highsec, you just go scan them down. They are in the k162 band btw. honest.

That aside as someone has pointed out here: 'user supplied information might be incorrect/misleading'

I am certain there are no scannable DED5 sites in highec. Expeditions from anomalies however might be a different story. Very rarely i get an Annex/Minor Annex/Outpost end up in lowsec - which is not where they are supposed to end. Something to do with the pathfinding for expeditions. I assume the same thing could happen if someone gets an escalation to a DED 5 in highsec and it sends him to highec instead of lowsec. [And then of course he has 'found' a DED 5 in highsec and happily contributes this find to the wiki - without saying how it happened]

Oh and DEDs as an expedition certainly are not scannable by core probes.

[edit] i assume the person talking about gistum stuff was referring to the a-types when they dropped form angel 4/10[/edit]

Once you leave a wreck on scan, then someone else can work to the grid with d-scan and bookmarks, so long as your grid is within the outer bounds defined by all the anoms, celestials, and any deep safes that the d-scanner might possess. If your grid is outside those bounds, then it can be difficult to reach within the wrecks lifetime. (You have to log-walk to get a bookmark on the otherside of the wreck).

Takes about 15 minutes, and is not inconceivable that pirates know how to do that, as once apon a time it was the only practical way of hunting a safed afk.

Been there, done that, can't be done. I kept a 7/10 alive (in low sec!) for over a week in a system that got cleared of everything else twice daily. It didn't show on my scans and the fact that no one else cleared it is evidence enough for me that no one else could find it either.

I have only Elisa's processed data, which appears as you see it in the first overhaul of the chart (before... after).

There's a few mistakes in there on my part, (later corrected, with citation), can you spot them?

You'll notice, the previous chart had no mention of high/low sec or signature strengths.

doesn't work, for training purpose we tried to scan down corpmates doing anoms (including escalations), one group runs the sig, the other one hunt them.

while we usually resume scanning the anom instead of the ship once we figured out the person on it warped out , to go wait them there (believe it or not, often ratters still come back 10 min later on the same anom even wit you in local).

each time the "target" is on an escalation, the only one thing you can probe is the ship, even if the ship warp out, the escalation remain impossible to probe down, regardless of how long the site remains "empty" from players

I farmed yesterday a Guristas Den in Uedama and got an escalation to a DED 5 Complex in Hysera.