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i believe i've found a problem in the Reactive Armor Hardner

1 Active Armor Hardner activation cost (30 GJ) 2 cost (60 GJ) thats (3 o/o) drain to ship capacter

1 Reactive Active Armor Hardner activation cost (35.7 GJ) thats (5.1 o/o) drain to ship capacter

i have Armor Resistance Phasing at level 3 at the time of this post

Im using a random ship with a captecer cap of (31.7)

Why does a Reactive Active Armor Hardner drain more capacter then 2 Active Armor Hardner

And you can use only 1 Reactive Active Armor Hardner and the ship i used was a cruiser

If you believe it's a bug I would suggest filing a bugreport (bugs.eveonline.com) as simply posting it here won't get it fixed or looked at until a BR is filed.

Good job catching it if it's a bug (my math sucks so I'm not even trying to verify)

/c

I love your avatar OP.

Wait....Armor tanking is broken?!?!?! :::gasp:::

This is why The Mitanni is the only reasonable choice for a 3rd party. He can actually count.

If he can count how come the votes for him in CSM7 didn't

This is a good question.

The Reactive Armor Hardener can have up to 60% resistance against a single damage type. It does so by automatically shifting the resistances in 2%-steps per cycle towards the highest incoming damage type. Further, is the resistance provided by the Reactive Armor Hardener not penalized when used together with Active Armor Hardeners and other resistance modules (except for when used with a DCU afaik).

When one trains the Armor Resistance Phasing skill will the energy need increase. The module will adjust its resistances faster (+10% speed bonus) and the skill will reduce the energy need a little (-5%), but it still drains more energy than at a low level:

Level 1: 39.9 GJ activation cost, 9s activation time = 4.43 GJ/s
Level 5: 31.5 GJ activation cost, 5s activation time = 6.3 GJ/s

When compared to Active Armor Hardeners in terms of "How much resistance per GJ/s do I get?" then one needs to consider that an Active Armor Hardener can always only protect against a single damage type with 55%(T2) resistance, while the Reactive Armor Hardener can protect with up to 60% against any of the four damage types.

So why does it need more energy than two Active Armor Hardeners?

When looking at a random or an omni damage pattern then two Active Armor Hardeners give on average an 27.5% additional resistance (before stacking). The Reactive Armor Hardener does only give 15% on average. However, the Reactive Armor Hardener does so by using only a single low-slot and by requiring 24 CPU / 1 PG whereas two Active Armor Hardeners need two low-slots and 72 CPU / 2 PG.

So when using a Reactive Armor Hardener instead of two Active Armor Hardeners can you use the free low-slot for either a second resistance module (i.e. an EANM II) or a Capacitor Power Relay and either get more resistances or more energy on your ship than you will have with two Active Armor Hardeners.

By the way, there is a forum for such questions: Ships and Modules.

yeah trust a self absorbed douchebag that never logs in to the game. way to goon.

rip goonswarm.

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For missions, the reactive armor hardener is great. I always had three hardeners in but I switched the double for the reactive. So now I have a hardener against the two main damage types of the mission and the reactive one adapts to the relation of the damage delivered in opposite to the fixed amount of resistance normal hardeners offer.

Result is that during a Sansha Vengeance, I get 30/30 em/therm in the first room, the second room I go full em and in the third, I even get some towards kinetic because of the missiles from Kuvakei. I got to 94% em resistance on my Abaddon. That's definitely worth the extra cap.

The EANM II was an example. A single hardener then only covers a single damage type. Fit something else when you do not like it. Just stop reasoning why something has to be in some way when you only do not like it.

I prefer to fit the Reactive Armor Hardener next to a Thermal Armor Hardener. The Thermal Armor Hardener is to reduce the thermal component of laser and hybrid weapon damage (plus it helps against Gallentean drones) and the Reactive Armor Hardener then either covers the EM or the kinetic component of these two weapon types. This alone makes the Reactive Armor Hardener more worth than fitting 3 hardeners, because I am using my low-slots more efficiently and do not waste a low-slot for a resistance type I might not need. If I can then fit a Cap Power Relay II for 24% more cap onto a BC or BS do I get more energy back than the Reactive Armor Hardener needs. Or I can fit another damage mod and spend even more cap if I wanted to.