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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Aston Bradley
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#321 - 2011-10-25 20:14:07 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Mekela wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Hershman wrote:
I agree that most people want support for WiS, but unfortunately the vocal minority...


see, its this **** that pisses most everyone off. The most vocal minority here are all the players here on the forums.

The only opinion that matters is CCP's and CCP's is to shelve WiS


Only problem with that is - CCP stated they were doing what they were doing because of the opinion of the vocal minority that didn't want WiS. Now we have basically a WiS war, and I am to the point where I am going to be one of those people that unsub probably when TOR comes out because I am bored with FiS. (I have done just about everything 0.0 alliance, low sec, and most everything that Highsec can offer and going backwards instead of forwards is not my idea of making the game better)

I might come back if CCP ever gets its act together and stops screwing with me. Promise me something, make me wait 4 years then shelve it because they screwed up and decided to get greedy. (See NEX and WoD)


No you can't have my stuff you greedy whiny beggers. I would rather burn it all than give it to you.


And it will be people like you that damage the game farther. Good job.
WiS NAOW OR ILL LEEEEEEVE WAAAAAAAH

God you sound two



Calm down,

i think CCP got the message that FIS needs to be the priority. I think most of us here agree on that decision, and some are just asking that HiS is not totally forgotten. As for your remark about staff. Once Dust is launched they'll have more than the man power they need to keep improving it while keeping FiS the top concern.

[i]FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again![/i]

Mekela
Vinyl Roid
#322 - 2011-10-25 20:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekela
Kengutsi Akira wrote:


And it will be people like you that damage the game farther. Good job.
WiS NAOW OR ILL LEEEEEEVE WAAAAAAAH

God you sound two


Huh I can't state my opinion, and I never said WiS now or I'll leave I said I am pissed because they promised me something I waited 4 years and they told me - we aren't going to do it now. I also said I most likely will wait till december and if they can't get their act together then I might leave. I plan on voting my displeasure with my wallet sence they ignore me till that happens (Isn't this the whole reason we are having this debate CCP screwed up and people left. Well I am giving them fair warning I am not liking the way they have decided to fix things)

The last bastion of people who can't form an arguement is to start calling them names and making personal attacks.
Barakkus
#323 - 2011-10-25 20:17:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakkus
Btw, CCP since you're watching this, if you want Incarna to be successful, release more than 1 room and make it align with the video demonstrations you release. Showing those then getting something completely different and on a much smaller scale than what you get everyone hyped up about is what is killing you.

When you show the public something, you need to align your release with those expectations. Incarna as it is now was just too small scale for anyone to really get into it. In addition, forcing people to mess with avatars, when it didn't really make logical sense for them to be getting out of their ships was the other mistake.

I think they'll do a good job if they try to not rush it. Granted it's been in development for over 5 years now (probably closer to 7 or 8). Really don't rush it out next time, and start small, but don't make us jailed in a little room with no one to share the experience with. That's what an MMO is all about, shared experience, not sitting in a closet playing with your self /giggle.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#324 - 2011-10-25 20:19:36 UTC
Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#325 - 2011-10-25 20:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:

nearly everyone including the haters are going to enjoy it, if only casually while they're making a trip to jita for pvp supplies or just waiting in their outpost for the next fleet op.



Uh no...
I turned it off and have no intention of using it at all. Unless they do like they were going to do and force it on us by removing the "opt out" button.

Cause you cant see ppls' $1000 pants if you can choose not to load the station environment


You're just afraid of change lol. You should have the option to never use WiS and you can ignore it completely, but the vast majority of players will find it amusing, even if only casually. It will introduce new content. MORE DIVERSE CONTENT, which will attract other groups of players who're interested in other things. And introduce them to your guns. I dont see the problem?

You will just be locking yourself out of something because you're twisted up about them not fixing railguns for so long, or whatever your complaint is

I agree spaceships need lots of love too, but WiS is a great feature. Just like i dont play incursions at all, im glad CCP is keeping the carebears fed so when i get hungry i have something to eat


I agree with the "should" part but given there was a dev blog (or an interview I dont remember) saying they were going to remove the option not to load the station environment.....
lol afraid of change... ppl that are afraid of change should never play MMOs they ALWAYS change. What Im "afraid" of is killing CCP to appease ppl that want a mini game.

Aston Bradley wrote:



Calm down,

i think CCP got the message that FIS needs to be the priority. I think most of us here agree on that decision, and some are just asking that HiS is not totally forgotten. As for your remark about staff. Once Dust is launched they'll have more than the man power they need to keep improving it while keeping FiS the top concern.


Im calm, its the "Im leaving cause I didnt get what I want" types that **** me off cause theyre only interested in getting what they want and they dont mind further damaging the game (or CCP) to get it

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#326 - 2011-10-25 20:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:

nearly everyone including the haters are going to enjoy it, if only casually while they're making a trip to jita for pvp supplies or just waiting in their outpost for the next fleet op.



Uh no...
I turned it off and have no intention of using it at all. Unless they do like they were going to do and force it on us by removing the "opt out" button.

Cause you cant see ppls' $1000 pants if you can choose not to load the station environment


You're just afraid of change lol. You should have the option to never use WiS and you can ignore it completely, but the vast majority of players will find it amusing, even if only casually. It will introduce new content. MORE DIVERSE CONTENT, which will attract other groups of players who're interested in other things. And introduce them to your guns. I dont see the problem?

You will just be locking yourself out of something because you're twisted up about them not fixing railguns for so long, or whatever your complaint is

I agree spaceships need lots of love too, but WiS is a great feature. Just like i dont play incursions at all, im glad CCP is keeping the carebears fed so when i get hungry i have something to eat


I agree with the "should" part but given there was a dev blog (or an interview I dont remember) saying they were going to remove the option not to load the station environment.....
lol afraid of change... ppl that are afraid of change should never play MMOs they ALWAYS change. What Im "afraid" of is killing CCP to appease ppl that want a mini game.

Aston Bradley wrote:



Calm down,

i think CCP got the message that FIS needs to be the priority. I think most of us here agree on that decision, and some are just asking that HiS is not totally forgotten. As for your remark about staff. Once Dust is launched they'll have more than the man power they need to keep improving it while keeping FiS the top concern.


Im calm, its the "Im leaving cause I didnt get what I want" types that **** me off cause theyre only interested in getting what they want and they dont mind further damaging the game (or CCP) to get it


I'm pretty sure they have given up on making CQ mandatory. That whole line of thinking blew up in their face. Hence we now have the button to switch back and forth at will on the main UI screen, instead of only the on/off button buried in the escape menu.

Edit: And yes, I didn't grab the portion to quote that I intended to. Well, you catch my drift.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#327 - 2011-10-25 20:26:03 UTC
Hershman wrote:
Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it.


It wasnt the "I dont want them to buy clothes" argument that ppl had an issue with in the MT thing. If you are unaware, you should find the "fearless" newsletter and read it.

Selling T3 stuff and gold ammo is what had people up in arms about NeX. Not the clothes (well other than the part where they spend money on NY fasion designers to design the clothes).

It was the slippery slope MT item malls create in MMOs and in a game like this, pay to win stuff could do real damage.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#328 - 2011-10-25 20:34:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Hershman wrote:
Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it.


It wasnt the "I dont want them to buy clothes" argument that ppl had an issue with in the MT thing. If you are unaware, you should find the "fearless" newsletter and read it.

Selling T3 stuff and gold ammo is what had people up in arms about NeX. Not the clothes (well other than the part where they spend money on NY fasion designers to design the clothes).

It was the slippery slope MT item malls create in MMOs and in a game like this, pay to win stuff could do real damage.


At the risk of sounding stuffy (I know, too late), pay to win actually means the selling of in game advantages (that you can not get through other means) for real $$$.

This goes against the core design of the NeX.

Most people spent ISK to get their AURUM to spend, not cash.

And even if that weren't possible (which would be completely changing how the NeX works) there would still be the fact that the items can be freely sold for ISK on the player driven market.

No, I think the deeper problem was the fear that content would be developed for the NeX market that "should" have been instead part of our normal "free" expansions.

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Ghoest
#329 - 2011-10-25 20:37:06 UTC
The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.


Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#330 - 2011-10-25 20:38:57 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Hershman wrote:
Yeah, I mean it's silly this whole up in arms, kill ccp, my life is over micro transaction bullshit... its just a game, if people want to buy some clothes and walk their avatar in the station then let them do it.


It wasnt the "I dont want them to buy clothes" argument that ppl had an issue with in the MT thing. If you are unaware, you should find the "fearless" newsletter and read it.

Selling T3 stuff and gold ammo is what had people up in arms about NeX. Not the clothes (well other than the part where they spend money on NY fasion designers to design the clothes).

It was the slippery slope MT item malls create in MMOs and in a game like this, pay to win stuff could do real damage.


At the risk of sounding stuffy (I know, too late), pay to win actually means the selling of in game advantages (that you can not get through other means) for real $$$.

This goes against the core design of the NeX.

Most people spent ISK to get their AURUM to spend, not cash.

And even if that weren't possible (which would be completely changing how the NeX works) there would still be the fact that the items can be freely sold for ISK on the player driven market.

No, I think the deeper problem was the fear that content would be developed for the NeX market that "should" have been instead part of our normal "free" expansions.


See, MY fear of the NeX thing comes from watching Star Trek Online implode through it's "cash shop" all the while with the devs on the forums telling us how theyll never put in game affecting stuff in it.
They have skill point boosters there now you know... they make it so you can get skill points faster. That wouldnt be damaging at all in this game

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

T-Jay Charante
Black Sun Industry and Research
#331 - 2011-10-25 20:56:07 UTC


See, MY fear of the NeX thing comes from watching Star Trek Online implode through it's "cash shop" all the while with the devs on the forums telling us how theyll never put in game affecting stuff in it.
They have skill point boosters there now you know... they make it so you can get skill points faster. That wouldnt be damaging at all in this game
[/quote]

They have Cerebral Accelerators in STO now?
[/quote]

I wasnt aware they put those in the NeX store?

How much arum are they?
Cause last I heard, to get that one item you had to buy a new account or something. Not Arum for the NeX store.[/quote]

Ahh, so you only mean the Nex store, the ability to buy them in game already is fine though?
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#332 - 2011-10-25 21:15:49 UTC
The main problem was that CCP started to rush out stuff and totally forgetting about the broken stuff.
Implementing features which are TOTALLY useless, and ignorin stuff that breaks the game.

The outrage came from the following factors:
1. CCP ignorance
2. CCP lies
3. Fear of pay2win
4. usless features (wasted time)
5. broken features (usless)


We have got every of thoose point already once, the only difference was that they've came one by one,
but now they all came at once and this was just ooo much to take.

BTW: you do realize, tat this thread has got 17 pages of discussions about WiS, so basically noone cares about walking in stations.
even the trolls are staying away.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#333 - 2011-10-25 21:16:23 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.


Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it.


And yet the thread that is in support of the FiS only focus has something like 9 posts and 12 likes and this one is still active, 15 pages and has nearly 500 likes.

You must have some other sort of sampling method for lack of support for WiS because honestly, I am seeing even more support than I could have hoped for in these forums.

Issler
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#334 - 2011-10-25 21:17:47 UTC
Incredible, I have managed to read, using job time, so no expense to me, through the last 15 pages of this inane rambling of a moot point.

Yes, some of you want wis other dont. Yes, thats pretty obvious, lots of people in Africa want to eat and have access to clean water, others want their CC debts erased, the IRS never looking at their tax forms, winning the lottery, a Revelation from God, the hard to get EUREKA moment, a new car and on and on ... going back in time to the point a single man, according to legend, myth or religious truth, was so deep in thought he managed to make a Lotus flower boom .

We all want so many things, so many and yet in a world of limited resources and a company trying to railroad itself into economic success, the fact they are focusing on the true aspect of the Flying ships core value product, you all want to ramble inanenly gazing at your navels and asking FOR THIS or THAT.

It's a Moot point, WIS will eventually return, hopefully in a more polished form, but asking this or that to a company shaken by economical woes will probably make the ship sink faster. (Seeing the barebones hint of perhaps releasing it with dancing emotes is cause for me to faint as I try to grab my rapé box, trying to smell something diff

Someone said LET IT HEAL, let CCP focus and regrow and stay on a more steady course.

All your I WANT, I DONT WANT, I WANT NAO I DONT WANT BARBIE screams only fuel the bigger inexorable despair train wreck caused by CCP in the first place. If we are to have a successful game, we need CCP to stabilize so they can continue to grow back the lost organs they themselves lost during the Cancer than was the Incarna Release with all the metastatic outgrowths like Monoclegate and the Fearless release.

Though I will never fail to point out this was their own doing (and scorn ruefully every time I remember the fact), it is a time to wait. Chemotherapy has begun on CCP, and this , is just what many medical doctors in the field now as recurrence.

Yes, your next wave of plights and endless bickering are causing a recurrence of the Cancer. You are further dividing what has already been sundered and my only job on this matter is to point it out for my own personal records hoping for it never to see the light of day.

So much want, no real need, the flies beginning to circle the moribund twitching appendage , kinda poetic.

I'm still hoping, but alas, only time will tell the outcome.

A Sad Day Indeed ...

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Space Hogger
Doomheim
#335 - 2011-10-25 21:33:04 UTC
Forget WiS or even FiS. Talk about core gameplay, update the f-ing font already. I'd like to not have to squint if I use a monitor larger than 17". Seriously, how does something like CQ take precedence over being able to read the text in your game? Incarna was marketed to all these new (and returning) players as a revolutionary change to the game. Everything sounds awesome until you log in an realize you are trapped in a small room with the rest of the game unchanged. Still forced to squint at a small, hard to read font, all wrapped in an outdated UI.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#336 - 2011-10-25 21:35:57 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
The OP is wrong - only a small minority actively want WIS.


Many of us think it could be nice if done right - but we dont want to sacrifice any of the spaceship development for it.


And yet the thread that is in support of the FiS only focus has something like 9 posts and 12 likes and this one is still active, 15 pages and has nearly 500 likes.

You must have some other sort of sampling method for lack of support for WiS because honestly, I am seeing even more support than I could have hoped for in these forums.

Issler


and you realize that the threadnought had like 150 pages.. complaining about this useless feature until everything else is fixed??

are you really that ignorant or just dumb?

noone has said remove WiS, we just want to get everything else fixed BEFORE eyecandy.
BECOUSE: usefull features already in game > probably usefull features in game SOON



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

WHY CANT ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS????? IS THEIR MONOCLE BLIND EYE BLINDING THEM COMPLETELY?

THIIIISSSSSS

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Scroll up a bit, what he said!!!! This is a thread of people POINTING OUT THAT FOR THE LOVE OF THE AMARRIAN GOD BEATING MINMATAR CHILDREN IN THEIR CRIBS, LET THIS %@!#$^#$^#$^ go, who cares if you have a sekrit transexual desire of transvestism and want to clothe your useless avatar. If EVE got your sub out of this dream, please , if you don't have the decency to LEAVE , then at least have the intelligence to NOTICE that right now its ... Moot, void, pointless ...

Now, if OP did this for trolling though, considering it now, /hatoff to you sir. Nice trollage.

I fell for it completely, I can respect that. I can live safer and feel fuzzy inside knowing it was trollage out of the last bridge from the deepest pit of The Far Realm. Considering it was something else, only makes me want to put my fists in my eyesockets bursting them in gore, and do the Mickey dance.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#337 - 2011-10-25 21:39:30 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Brujo Loco wrote:
Incredible, I have managed to read, using job time, so no expense to me, through the last 15 pages of this inane rambling of a moot point.

Yes, some of you want wis other dont. Yes, thats pretty obvious, lots of people in Africa want to eat and have access to clean water, others want their CC debts erased, the IRS never looking at their tax forms, winning the lottery, a Revelation from God, the hard to get EUREKA moment, a new car and on and on ... going back in time to the point a single man, according to legend, myth or religious truth, was so deep in thought he managed to make a Lotus flower boom .

We all want so many things, so many and yet in a world of limited resources and a company trying to railroad itself into economic success, the fact they are focusing on the true aspect of the Flying ships core value product, you all want to ramble inanenly gazing at your navels and asking FOR THIS or THAT.

It's a Moot point, WIS will eventually return, hopefully in a more polished form, but asking this or that to a company shaken by economical woes will probably make the ship sink faster. (Seeing the barebones hint of perhaps releasing it with dancing emotes is cause for me to faint as I try to grab my rapé box, trying to smell something diff

Someone said LET IT HEAL, let CCP focus and regrow and stay on a more steady course.

All your I WANT, I DONT WANT, I WANT NAO I DONT WANT BARBIE screams only fuel the bigger inexorable despair train wreck caused by CCP in the first place. If we are to have a successful game, we need CCP to stabilize so they can continue to grow back the lost organs they themselves lost during the Cancer than was the Incarna Release with all the metastatic outgrowths like Monoclegate and the Fearless release.

Though I will never fail to point out this was their own doing (and scorn ruefully every time I remember the fact), it is a time to wait. Chemotherapy has begun on CCP, and this , is just what many medical doctors in the field now as recurrence.

Yes, your next wave of plights and endless bickering are causing a recurrence of the Cancer. You are further dividing what has already been sundered and my only job on this matter is to point it out for my own personal records hoping for it never to see the light of day.

So much want, no real need, the flies beginning to circle the moribund twitching appendage , kinda poetic.

I'm still hoping, but alas, only time will tell the outcome.

A Sad Day Indeed ...



Yeah, I think all this mess is going to make certain people's heads over at CCP explode eventually...I can just imagine them running around with their heads on fire screaming "WHAT THE **** DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!"

Btw, kudos on using "moot point" correctly. I think you're one of 5 people on these forums that understands it's "moot" not "mute".


well thats what I was talking about as far as them dancing the Black Spiral

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#338 - 2011-10-25 21:39:37 UTC
So CCP I hope you are paying attention!

When I started this thread it was to make it clear a lot of us want some form of WiS. Something on the other side of the door. We aren't asking for work on FiS to stop, but that some amount of resource stay working on the other side of the door and that WiS stays part of your plans in the near future.

While someone just claimed that this thread isn't worthy of attention because it isn't 150 pages of trolls and personal insults this has remained one of the most active threads for the last two days and has recieved an impressive number of "likes". I would say by "new forum" standard this thread has received a lot of attention and support. Another thread started shortly after this one supporting the oppositve view has been virtually ignored.

So I think the pilots of Eve are proving my point. We want some more WiS to be worked on with FiS remaing the major focus in Eve. I also think we've made it clear that we don't care if it is the "prettiest" avatar experience and using the proven technology of the Unreal engine would be just fine. Also please remove the dependency on the WoD work from Eve WiS. Eve is here today! We are here today, and for now our credit cards are here today keeping your lights on and your coolers stocked with unusual Icelandic soft drinks. So give US our WiS and when you've sorted that out get back to your teen girl vamp heart throb MMO.

We also have offered a full range of suggestions as to what we want out of WiS so your claim that you can't move forward and have to put WiS on "ice" because you have to figure out "what we want" is a distraction. You have been given plenty of ideas ranging from simple to expansive to let us through that door.

So CCP, PLEASE reconsider! Please get a small team dedicated to opening that door! Take whatever "vamp" resources that are working on WoD and put them on Eve. We are paying customers, you are nowhere near having a cent in your pockets from WoD! Let us know ambulation isn't dead!

Issler
Barakkus
#339 - 2011-10-25 21:42:04 UTC
I actually was looking forward to WoD :P

For god's sake don't use the Unreal engine, it sux.

CryEngine or something homegrown, not Unreal.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#340 - 2011-10-25 21:45:05 UTC
Barakkus wrote:


Yeah, I think all this mess is going to make certain people's heads over at CCP explode eventually...I can just imagine them running around with their heads on fire screaming "WHAT THE **** DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!"

Btw, kudos on using "moot point" correctly. I think you're one of 5 people on these forums that understands it's "moot" not "mute".


Thank you Barakkus, It's good to see islands of calm amidst this insane sea of echoing madness. Hope CCP actually understands the message the thinking people of the community are trying to express in the denial of the travesty happening in this thread, which for some reason, some minds see as proof their belief is correct.

Reminds me of a book, in which , when the corpse of God fell to Earth, Atheists were worried it might be discovered and tried to hide it from the masses of the world just to prove their ... point.

So if a proWiS transvestite here, those that go so far as to advocate more dissent amidst this crisis, not the regular Puddi dressers, see a threadnaught with a clear majority saying NO, they just see the bigger number of posts and pretend their topic is indeed correct. Those shortcuts into logic make my mind scream in rage and denial sometimes. I have seen puppies understand the complexities of sequential logic better than this ... abomination.

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